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  1. GreyImport

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    A couple of weeks ago I realised one of the stanchion/caliper mounts on a ZXR250A had a crack in it. Annoyed by this revelation, I contacted my favourite spare parts provider and was further perplexed when young Chris told me he had zero forks for me.

    Unperturbed by this disappointment, I contacted a number of local parts peddlers to see if anyone had a wrecked front end that I could steal the stanchions from. I’m told that this kind of cracking is becoming popular and that all forks are being snapped up to repair this kind of problem. If I want a fork it’ll be $150 or if I want both, a nice gentleman from Adelaide was keen for me to take his set for $250 plus $50 for postage. Hmmm…let me think about it.

    eBay and gumtree here I come.

    Fast forward, I find a ZXR250A being parted out and after contacting the seller, I’m told the forks are mint and I can have them for $140. I’m on my way. When I get there I find that not only are the forks still on said bike, but they are far from “mint”. Having travelled for over an hour to get to this obviously blind and slightly retarded individual, my mood is not positive. In the end, we agree to a compromise and for a little more than the price of a set of forks from Adelaide, I now have a rolling bike and an engine which “might” run.

    If you’re still reading, then good for you. Here are the pictures of the stanchion before and after new stanchion was fitted. That’s one day of my life I’ll never get back!


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    Linkin The Mechanic Premium Member Contributing Member Dirty Wheel Club

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    That happens because ham fisted idiots do the pinch bolts up to 500NM with a breaker bar.

    20NM max for 6mm bolts. 30NM for 8mm bolts.

    And they're old and shite, do them up by feel so the threads don't pull out.
     
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    I’m sorry I let you down @Frankster , zxr’s are very thin on ground in Queensland unless I want to pay $3000
     
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    Mint as in breath mint my good man, breath mint - like a breath of fresh air

    Good rant :D :D :D
     
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    Were there bruises from a pry bar (screwdriver) at gap from someone prying it open to remove the axle? Seen that, too.
     
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    No probs mate. They're getting thin on the ground down here too. :)
     
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    Oddly enough, it wasn't noticeable when riding it. But, all bolts and axle bolts were so tight I had to use a breaker bar to get them out!
     
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    They are pinch bolts, with the emphasis on the word pinch. IF you are not sure then when tightening bolts which are part of unusual assemblies you should refer to the manual for torque settings. Axles also are only supposed to be tightened to load the bearings the correct amount, when they are over tightened the bearing clearance becomes too tight creating more friction and a shortened life. All the fasteners on my Honda have been overtightened, if fact everything that has been touched is butchered.
     
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    I've overtightened the but on the clutch basket and that causes the collar to be compressed and clutch to drag. :-/
     
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    Today I had a look at the "might run" ZXR250A engine I got as part of a recent parts deal. Decided to do a leak down test. Realised something very wrong with this engine and started tearing it down. Found the issue fairly quickly. Can anyone tell me what's wrong with this picture?

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    That's one of them fancy new Zed valves mister - they cause less obstruction to the inlet fuel charge flow for MAWW POWA
     
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    Out of interest - can you measure the valve spec - head diameter, stem diameter and total length
     
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    Well obviously the valve is made from low quality steel, I mean it didn’t even break, just bent
    I dread to think what the piston looks like


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    Those marks in the head will buff out... and you should be able to put the valve in the vice and straighten it out.. easy fix :)
    A quick lap job (for some reason that sounds a bit naughty) and you will be right as rain... :D

    You have to be impressed at the PO's faith in Japanese Engineering if he thought that one "might run"... or he was just palin full of Bullsh*t..

    In all seriousness though.. I would like to see what remains of the piston... plus I would be checking the rod and the crankshaft.. some serious load went through there...
     
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    It looks like something was floating around in the chamber, too. The other valve looks dented and there's dents in the heads. I keep getting warned about replacing the conrod and bearings because of possible damage, but my bank account tells me to ignore them.
     
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    Sadly, damaged piston and number 1 exhaust valve are in the bin. But from my deductive reasoning (and what was left in the chamber) I can only assume the engine dropped the exhaust valve which snapped and then number 1 inlet valve copped a whack for its troubles. I think it dropped a valve because number 2 inlet valve wasn't bent or broken.

    So, I guess that the head of the broken exhaust valve jammed between the piston and the bent (number 1) inlet valve. The barrels are in good shape. There's a small flat scratch down the side of number 4, but that was from me having to pull them off the pistons. The cams appear undamaged, but I'll have to measure them to confirm. All the shims were in the 160 to 175 range, so engine might have had a few miles on it. A couple of the valves I removed failed the wobble test, so not sure what maintenance had been done to this poor thing. I will measure valve dimensions and post soon. I've never done a valve guide replacement, so I can have a play with this head since it's beyond "that'll buff out".

    I'm wondering if these are Chinesium valves? I should have a real ZXR valve laying around somewhere, so I can measure and weigh both to compare. This engine has been apart at some stage as the pistons and the valves are very clean. No carbon build up whatsoever. Engine may have been put back together badly and that might have been the main contributor to the failure. I will have a look at the bottom end, but I'll be surprised if it's damaged. Rods are intact. I will split the cases when I get a chance. Won't spend too much time on this engine as there are plenty of other chores to do.
     
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    I can give you a tip on valve guide replacement

    You'll need a compressor and the equivalent of one of these http://www.supercheapauto.com.au/Product/Blackridge-Air-Hammer-4-Piece-Chisels-175mm/340369

    For removal - basically get a cap head allen bolt which goes through the guide and has thread only part way along it's length. Put a nut and washer on the thread - which are smaller than the the guide outer diameter.

    Then heat the head in the oven - for memory I went to between 150 - 200

    You won't likely get even half of one side out in each go - it cools too rapidly.

    Use the air chisel on a medium pressure ~50-60 PSI range as even the rapid tiny little strikes are amazingly effective and you don't want it bouncing out of control.

    This video is good, but I wouldn't be using as much pressure in the air hammer as he is -

    Use the pointed bit which goes into the allen key socket to stay put.

    Removal is down into the combustion chamber obviously because there's no chance of forcing anything with even the minutest amount of carbon buildup, up through the head.
    Flat surface capable of taking the heat obviously with a recess for the guide to drop into if needed.

    Installing the guides is simpler - the manual will list a guide installed height limit range - I cut and drilled an aluminium round bar slug to that necessary height.

    This time use an allen key bolt length without threads if you can find one, with a washer on top.

    Heat the head, freeze the guides
    Drive them down through the guide height slug with the air hammer till the washer stops on top of the slug, jump to the next one. I got about 6 of 8 done on each side per heat cycle.

    When I did this for a complete set of guides (XC Barina) and took it to the local cylinder head guy for seat cutting where necessary and told him the history and what was replaced - he was mightily impressed by the guide replacement technique - all credit to youtube - though I can't find the original video.
     
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    Car stuff! Sorry, a different world. Our little motorcycles have small delicate parts.
    The heating of the head and freezing of the guides I agree with.
    I have always used a custom made drift and a hammer. I would never use an air tool because I need to feel what is happening. If a guide does not want to budge then it will make the wrong sound and have the wrong feel. Time to stop what you are doing and make a new plan before you break a piece of the head. Motorcycle guides have a flange on the cam side and can only be removed by driving away from the combustion chamber. For fitting guides I always measure the guide and the hole to determine correct interference. In many cases it is necessary to make custom guides. Some bikes like Ducati's have oversizes available. Valve seats almost always have to be recut after guide fitting and cannot be lapped because the valve axis centre has changed.
    Often I would ream guides and fit new valves with coated stems rather than fit new guides, being a much cheaper solution.
    Cheers
     
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