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Project FZR150 Bucket race motor

Discussion in 'Other Projects - Other Bikes (non 250's)' started by gregt, Aug 14, 2016.

  1. gregt

    gregt Well-Known Member Premium Member

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    Ok - the pickup ohms up at 239 - which is within specs for a 3LN pickup. Which it is...
    Does anyone have the figure for a 2KR ?

    Should I get the 2KR pickup which was with the local 2KR box ?
     
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    Something I've read about which you're probably already aware of is needing to fool the box if the EXUP is removed, most references I see are in relation to the FZR400, but you've had it running on that box already

    What about the other safety interlocks, side stand, clutch and gear selector, I assume they're out of the loom so not a factor

    Electrical gremlins are no fun
     
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    @ruckusman, without going back through this thread i think Greg is using a basic 2KR TCI (Pre EXUP) ?

    I'm 95% sure the 2KR and 3LN Stator's measured up the same spec's when i compared mine a couple of year's ago.
    I just had a look for the 2KR one then but can't find it atm sorry.

    With your TCI's failing, i would look at replacing the capacitor's with new one's that are higher voltage and temp rating
    Only problem is it'll make a mess of the plastic housing's when you cut it open
    Does the chinese one look easier to open ?
     
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    Yes, I think you're correct, Thursday laziness prevents me from re-reading the thread to see which TCi @gregt is using

    I didn't have an awful lot of trouble opening my TCI to replace the capacitors, I think based upon your posts about it.

    One good thing is that the signal and power transistors for the spark are also easily available - once the hot glue/silicon is cleaned off of the components, you could basically replace all of the IC's and semiconductors for less than $30

    Power transistors when they lose it, fortunately there's usually outward signs of their failure that remind me of that scene with John Hurt at breakfast in Alien

    One other option is perhaps with the power going to the unit itself then maybe the voltage regulator and/or the power transistor is KAPUT depriving the unit of power internally
    IIRC - the same applies, fairly certain that those components are available at Jaycar, and if not then RS components
     
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    I bought new Darlington Transistor's from oversea's as no one had them locally, they were for my 3LN3 TCI though

    The 2KR TCI's are painfull to open, i had to use an angle grinder with a 1mm cutting disc, the 3LN TCI's just pop apart when you get the screwdriver in the right spot's

    If there's power going to the ignition coil's the transistor's are probably good still ?
     
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    Yes, using a non exup 2KR ignition to avoid the Exup problems.
    Reluctant to have (another) go at repair of the boxes. I have a friend who's an elecronics guru.
    We imported the correct Darlington transistors and he had a go at the boxes I had. No luck.

    The wrecker I got the latest box from tells me the 2KR and 3LN pickups are visually identical.
    I'll pop up there tomorrow and ohm the 2KR one just in case.

    When I said power was going to the coils and box, I meant the external - switched - power to them. There's no voltage control unit, it's straight 12V battery, total loss.
     
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    OK, so that straight 12v is basically perfect and right about what it would be receiving when starting, plus you've got continuity through the VR pickup.

    What about the basics - carbon on the plugs?
    Fresh plugs?

    It's easy to miss the simple stuff looking for complex reasons inside mysterious ignition boxes.

    Nothing else changed from when it was running previously?
     
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    OK - so I thought I'd look at the parts catalogues to see if there's a different part number for the VR pickups

    There are part numbers for the screws and washers that hold the pickup in place, but not for the pickup itself, unless it's considered part of the stator assembly - tell me I've been looking straight at it but cannot see it, even go so far to call me nuts or a loon and I'll take your diagnosis as gospel and seek the help I might desperately need

    See screenshots of the parts catalogues

    2KR
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    3LN
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    Well, I can't speak for your need for help - but whatever god was watching has acted for me.
    Did some more continuity testing this morning. All fine nothing found.
    Gave it one last try before heading out to return bits - and the damm thing works now.
    On both boxes to boot. So I've got a spare - which I'm keeping.
    It may simply have been the act of parting and reconnecting harness plugs - I simply don't know.
    I should probably pick up a lotto ticket.

    Back to setting up carburation.

    Thanks for the advice and ideas guys.
     
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    Well the act of unplugging and replugging things back in may have been the trick and you would have moved and manipulated the wires in the process - perhaps there's a buildup of verdigris on the crimps from the VR sensor also - all together adding up to enough to mute the signal - all hypothetical supposition

    If the problem returns I'd be putting new crimps onto the VR sensor wires in the plug as a first step

    All Hail The Flying Spaghetti Monster
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flying_Spaghetti_Monster
     
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    Pic of tank setup. Tube through it is rubber bushed and anchors to the subframe pickup points ech side. It sits on a rubber pad on the frame crosspiece and has another location via another bushed tube to the subframe.
    Small sump on the bottom where the pump picks up from. Top is oil cap from Ford Fiesta if I remember right - picked out of a wrecking yard as a complete cam cover and cut up.$10.
    It's in 16Gauge alloy. quite light but stiff.
    This sort of in-frame tank was popular in our F3 - the 400 Kawasakis often had this done to lower top weight.


    Bucket tank.JPG
     
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