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Rider Training LAMS bikes

Discussion in 'Licence - Rego - Insurance - Law - Rider Training' started by jmw76, Oct 24, 2020.

  1. jmw76

    jmw76 Well-Known Member

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    Hi Guys, Just a quick question on LAMS bikes.

    I have a young friend that is looking at getting his learners and is buying a used bike (Kawasaki Ninja 650, I think).
    I think he may be doing a sneaky and getting a full power bike claiming that it will be detuned to meet his learners requirements.

    I always thought that for learners and Ps the bike needed to be on the LAMS list. If it wasn't then it was not LAMS compliant.

    Is there a ligit way to convert bikes to/from LAMS spec?
    What is the process to get a non LAMS bike on the list?


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    As far as I know it is the manufacturers who state it is LAM's compliant based on the rules and regs at the time?
    I dont believe you can take a non LAMS bike and "de-tune" it to be a LAMS compliant.
    There were some bikes that had a LAMS version and non LAMS that had Electronic restriction etc... people find their way around it but really is a 650 Ninja a good bike for a new Learner?????
    I mean that is why LAMS was brought in to limit what inexperienced riders could use... that over the years has probably saved a lot of lives... I know back in my youth I lost a number of friends who jumped on bike powerful bikes as soon as they got their L's.... didnt work out well for them.
     
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    ...is a 650 Ninja a good bike for a new Learner?

    Good point. A mate used a KLR650 (LAMS) during his early riding days. I took it for a spin and it had plenty of power even if it was de-tuned. Probably a bit dangerous, but he's 6ft 2in tall and reasonably built, so the bike 'suited' him. He converted it to non-LAMS once he had his full licence. I can't recall 100%, but I think the restriction was in the carb.
     
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    There is various restrictions, from throttle stops to ground wire ecu all the way to slides and ecu map restrictions.
    The ninja 650 esp in lams form is fine, he we get used to the full size of the bike, and its pretty friendly power wise. Unrestricted its about all you can expect from a parallel twin. The ninja 650 isn't what the 636 is, the 636 is on a whole over level.
    The 650 if new enough , should have abs, which can be a very good thing for a new inexperienced rider.

    As far as non Lams to Lams, no they do not do it. It was abused in the early days with r6's, cbr600's, r1's and gsxr-600's. There was a company in nsw that did it, got it approved, then the L's removed restrictions and whole world of problems.

    There is an clause that if the vehicle power and weight listed by the manufacture complies within the Lams rules but has been overlooked by the RTA of the state, it can be requested for review.
     
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