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Pinned Setting pilot mixture by ear

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  1. maelstrom

    maelstrom LiteTek Staff Member Premium Member 250cc Vendor Contributing Member

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    This guide describes how to adjust the pilot mixture for those motorcycles that use a fuel screw. If yours has an air screw then just set it to ‘n’ turns out. I use the term fuel screw but most of these circuits are actually supplying a fuel-air mixture.

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    This is an airscrew. Not many of you will have this one.
    Note that it is on the air cleaner side of the carburettor



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    This is a fuel screw. Note that it is on the engine side of the carburettor



    The pilot mixture will vary slightly depending on temperature, so from summer to winter you may need to reset for the season.

    This must be done with a warm engine because a cold engine will require a mixture that is too rich, which is why you need to use the choke in cold weather. The process is based on the principle that when the fuel screw is set to the optimum position then that cylinder will achieve its highest idle. You are going to rotate the screw in both directions and take note of where the engine rpm slows. Then you will return the screw to a position midway between those two points. If the number of turns between these two points is too large then this is a strong indication that your engine is suffering from low compression.

    Begin by setting the screws to the factory advised number of turns out and the idle to the recommended rpm. Then for each cylinder in turn repeat this process

    1. Whilst taking note of the position of your screw, rotate slowly in one direction until you hear the idle begin to slow then slowly reverse direction until, once more, you hear the idle begin to slow. Then set the screw exactly between those two points. As an example, you begin by setting your screw to 2½ turns out according to your workshop manual. Then you turn it in slowly (you are making it leaner) and you notice that after you have rotated ½ of a turn, the rpm begins to slow. That is your first point, at 2 turns out. Now wind it out, first by the ½ turn, so you are now back at your starting point of 2½ turns, and then you continue until at 3½ turns the rpm begins to drop. This is your second point. So the midpoint is actually at 2¾ turns out, being halfway between 2 and 3½ turns out.
    2. Now the idle will be higher than you initially set it because your first cylinder is running a more optimum mixture. You must set the idle speed back down to the correct value.
    3. Move to the next cylinder and repeat the process
    Notice that in the example I gave in the first instruction, the difference between the two points is 1½ turns. This is too large, so you should repeat the process for that cylinder to get a finer value. A good result would be that moving the screw by only ¼ or ½ of a turn will drop the rpm.

    Finally, many tuners advocate setting on the rich side. So once you find optimum you would wind the screw out by ⅛ to ¼ of a turn. This, they maintain, will help with the richness that is required during acceleration and cold starting. Conversely, others prefer to leave the screw set in the mid position. Try both and see which one works for your bike.

    Now that your idle mixture is correct you will find that to start the bike when hot, just a dab on the button with no throttle, and when cold a bit of choke, and again, no throttle. You will also notice the clean crisp acceleration from low rpm. If your bike does not perform like this, or the variation in turns out between the two points when setting your mixture is very large, then you have low compression.


    original article is here http://www.litetek.co/Guide_FuelScrews.html





     
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  2. Frankster

    Frankster Grey Pride...Adventure before Dementia Staff Member Premium Member Ride and Events Crew

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    You Sir, will be getting a Christmas card from me. Why has no-one ever explained this to me in such a simple way?
     
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    You forgot the part about cussing and throwing tools as you fight to reinstall the carb into your DRZ for the 8th time because you keep turning the fuel screw the wrong direction.

    Great writeup otherwise!
     
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    good write up ,also another good way on older bikes is keep a eye on front mud guard and how much it vibrates ,to lean /to rich vibrates more ,when vibrations smooth out your fairly close (this is for singles ) another bush trick for timing a motor with points is to use a radio turned to static (no station) turn radio on then turn points plate ,when you hear a crack over radio points have just fired,turn radio off to recharge the condenser,turn radio back on and repeat until you get it right ,its amazing how close you can get it and it will get you out of trouble (that is if you have a radio with you)
     
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    I like it, but my struggle comes from telling when the RPM 'begins to slow'. It's easy to find where it has slowed, but you're looking for the point between where it has and hasn't.

    I think this is why, despite the very helpful and simple explanation - it takes longer than it seems.
     
  6. maelstrom

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    There are many people, even mechanics, who cannot hear it. Your idea with the tach would be the go. Get one of those digital laser ones off eBay for $20.
     
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    That drove me nucking futs when I rebuilt the carbs on my MC22. Intake leaks weren't helping.
     
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    Yeh I've still got to find the time to do that electrical tuning thing. I may experiment once the CBF is up and going because it's a crapload easier to access everything. Pulling apart the fizzer isn't my favourite past time lol
     
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    After reading your post, I went and bought one those $20 digital laser things from eBay. It has just arrived and reading through the instructions I'm wondering if I bought the wrong one...this things talks about attaching silver reflective tape to moving part that the gauge uses for determining RPM values. Where should I stick the reflective tape (by nice with your response!)?

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    Haha!
    On your flywheel.
     
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    Thank you Sir.
     
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    Covered flywheel may be an issue…?
     
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    The flywheel on most bikes also functions as the part of the alternator, or am I just misunderstanding your point?
     
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    @maelstrom mmm I mean you can’t see the rotating anything so there’s no way to stick a reflector on to read rpm. Am I mistaken perhaps?
     
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    if only bikes didn't have holes in the side cases for things like setting TDC that would expose the flywheel itself and the nut that holds the flywheel to the crank
     
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    If you can look past my wise ass comment, there are also tachs that work based on vibration and do not require opening side covers to expose flywheel/crank.
     
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    I don't know what the problem is with removing sidecovers, but anyway there are also inductive tachometers available.
     
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    What about just connecting a tacho onto the #1 ignition lead and negative on the coil pack(one which is designed for this)
    Or is it possible to connect onto the original tacho signal and use a lower range gauge?
     

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