https://www.motorcycle-magazine.com/vins-duecinquanta-two-stroke/ It’s been decades since the golden era of 250cc two-stroke sports bikes came to an end but the new Vins Duecinquanta in aiming to revive the idea. Vins first emerged a couple of years ago. Headed by a group of ex-Ferrari F1 designers, the firm showed its first two-stroke concept in 2015. Called the Powerlight it used a 100cc V-twin engine, but a 250 was also promised. Now, two years on, the 250 has been revealed. The Duecinquanta – it means two-fifty in Italian – appeared at EICMA this year. It looks nearly identical to the previous Powerlight, but packs a much bigger V-twin. The 90-degree, water-cooled V-twin has a 54mm bore and 54.5mm stroke and uses direct fuel injection. The idea is that by injecting the fuel straight into the combustion chamber after the exhaust port has closed, it’s much cleaner than a traditional stroker. At the moment, the firm hasn’t made any power claims for the road-legal version of its engine, but somewhere around 70hp seems likely. As usual with V-shaped multi-cylinder strokers, it’s got two counter-rotating crankshafts. They feed into a six speed gearbox and the whole lot slots into a carbon fibre monocoque frame. An unconventional layout includes Hossack-style forks made of carbon fibre, with an adjustable monoshock for the springing and damping. At the back there’s a carbon swingarm acting on a transverse-mounted monoshock via a pushrod. Unusually, the radiator is above the engine. The large intakes on the bike’s nose feed cool air to it. The hot air then exits under the seat. Smaller intakes hidden behind the front wheel send air to the engine. Like the rest of the bike, the wheels are carbon fibre, coming from Dymag. It all helps bring the overall weight down to less than 95kg for the road-going version of the Duecinquanta. Vins is also offering a Duecinquanta Competitzione aimed at track use. It’s got a slightly bigger 288cc engine with a wider 58mm bore and the same 54.5mm stroke. Unhampered by emissions limits, it makes more than 80hp according to its designers. With no road-going kit, the Duecinquanta Competitzione is also 10kg lighter; Vins says it weighs less than 85kg. Vins Duecinquanta Competizione It all sounds great, but it won’t be cheap. The road going version will cost around €40,000, while the track model will be even more at about €50,000. However, if Vins can succeed where others have failed and make an emissions-beating two-stroke, it may inspire other, cheaper machines to follow suit.
some more from Visor down http://www.visordown.com/motorcycle...-don’t-worry-here’s-new-one-vins-duecinquanta
If, and it's going to be a big if, these bikes are ever built and sold they'll just end up as baubles for the rich to buy and sell amongst themselves at silly prices. On the the other hand,some mainstream manufacturer might buy the engine licensing rights, build them properly, put them in an reasonable frame and sell them for a reasonable price, I'll just need to get down to the weight I was when I was 19..........
Well, almost *anything* can be adapted to fit into the Euro4, another thing is if makes sense, performance wise? I mean, they provably have to cut down the power of the machine in ways that has less power than a 125cc 4stroke scooter, but I'm sure some of us here can take those limitations out and make it worth a good go.
Anyone got a spare $62,000? https://motorbikewriter.com/2-stroke-vins-plan-exports/ And, for all you who really miss 2-strokes at the highest level... http://www.mcnews.com.au/proton-krv3-500gp-two-stroke-jeremy-mcwilliams/
It's ironic how the "simple" and "dirty" 2 stroke engine is now finding its home in some of the most prized motorcycles in recent times. I *really* need to get my NSR. The dream would be somehow getting fuel injectors on it..... In time, once those KTM systems are common place and easily sourced.
Yep, prices too high for Joe Average at the moment. Need Honda to mass produce something and then the fun will really start. That Ronax 500cc 2-stroke V4 has 160hp and weighs 145kg...how much fun would that be?
If Honda started making 2 strokes again I'm pretty sure Mr Honda himself would rise again and unleash his wrath! Honda haven't been interested in at all 2 strokes for nearly 20 years.
Soichiro Honda was never interested in two strokes (although he had started with war surplus two stoke generator engines fitted to push bikes) and for many years refused to make them. I think the first Honda two stokes were the MX bikes of the mid 1970's (correct me if I'm wrong) made after he retired from the company in 1973. They then made some cracking two stroke machines and dominated GP racing and MX for years. It is a shame that these guys cannot get any backing. https://motorbikewriter.com/aussie-2-stroke-invention-may-fail/ It is a retake of a 1920's invention that never got past the prototype stage, so hopefully this one might get some backing and be a goer.
Yes, I believe you're mostly right Murdo (and Kicker). Mr. Honda certainly did not like 2-strokes. From my cloudy recollection of history, the original CR250 was actually developed without his knowledge by Honda engineers in their own time in the early 70's. He only found out about it because they took it to a bike show/event and it was photographed. He begrudgingly okayed the development of what is arguably the best dirt bike ever made. I'd read about the CITS engine you linked and like many great ideas it is sad to see it struggle for exposure.
A similar take on the 'dry' running Wardill two stroke from 1927. https://www.gofundme.com/the-piston-with-a-hole
Another take on two stroke 'supercharging' from Bekamo and DKW. https://www.odd-bike.com/2014/02/dkw-supercharged-two-strokes-force-fed.html