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Pinned Coil On Plug conversions - COP

Discussion in 'Tech Tips' started by Linkin, Aug 24, 2017.

  1. kiffsta

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  2. Linkin

    Linkin The Mechanic Premium Member Contributing Member Dirty Wheel Club

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    Ninja 300 coils arrived in the mail today, measured them at 1.3ohms each, accounting for resistance in the multimeter leads.

    They are Denso 129700-5430 coils.
     
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    How many Ohms is that resistor you're running it through?
     
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    1.4 I think


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    The manual says 2.6-3.2ohms is the acceptable range, is there a functional difference at either end of the spectrum?


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    Less resistance give's a higher output from the coil, but it is still limited by the maximum amp's the ignition box can put out.
    With a resistor fitted before the coils' + terminal, it will drop the voltage to the coil, this help's them to run cooler and last longer.
     
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    OK here are my Ninja 300 coils installed in my ZXR250. They fit, just, and only slightly touch the radiator fan shroud. Not enough to worry about. I plugged in my two looms and started it up - success.

    Note radiator is dropped down in this picture. I also slid the seals on the coils down about 5mm

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    Wouldn't know, haven't ridden the bike... been in the 'naughty corner' for a while... not long left to go now... got caught and am paying the fun tax :(
     
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    I mostly meant with the fitment


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    Yeah I am happy with it in that regard. There are plenty of learners smashing their 300's so bikes for parts/wrecking are plentily available :)
     
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    Disappointed to find out these are the same length as my CBR600RR COPs


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    I tested the 129700-4400 Denso pencil coil's running on my FZR250 today,
    measured the amperage they draw when running
    They pull .4A at idle (1600RPM), and they draw .9A around 6000rpm so less than i thought it'd be
    The Voltage at the coil's is 13.93V from the TCI
     
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    @ShaneP made a great post about running coils in series, which brought up series vs parallel circuits and a revisit of running coil on plug units, and how to do it properly/best. Guess who just started revision of basic electrical at TAFE? :oops:

    Technically I have already completed that unit when I did my Cert 2 in light auto, but revision is good. Bad for headaches though.

    Series circuits

    In a series circuit, the current is the same for all elements.
    The total resistance of the circuit is equal to the sum of all resistors in the circuit.
    In a series circuit, the voltage is addition of all the voltage elements.

    Regarding voltage in a series circuit like the one I made for my coils, putting a voltmeter across each coil would read only 6 volts on each. Adding both of those gets 12 volts total. Resistances are added (1.5 + 1.5 = 3 ohms total), current remains the same (4 amps). ShaneP is correct.

    Parallel circuits

    In a parallel circuit the voltage is the same for all elements.
    The current in each individual resistor is found by Ohm's Law
    The total resistance of the circuit will be less than the resistance of an individual resistor.

    We can cheat a bit for circuits with only two loads of equal resistance. The total resistance of the circuit will be half the resistance of one of the loads, but the maths is as follows.

    Resistance 1 (coil #1, 1.5 ohms) multiplied by Resistance 2 (coil #2, 1.5 ohms) is divided by the sum of both resistances.

    The sum of both resistances is 3 ohms.

    1.5 x 1.5 is 2.25, dividing by 3 gives us... 0.75 ohms, or exactly half of the coils' primary resistance..

    0.75 ohms multiplied by 12 volts is 9 amps. That's close to blowing the fuse (10A) and we are only firing two coils.

    We have to add resistance to this circuit, but it's a parallel circuit. Where do we add the resistor to the circuit and what value does it have to be?

    My head hurts, someone else can do some thinking for a bit, I need a break.
     
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    Easy . add a resistor inline before it splits off to go to each coil only thing but you would need an extremely high wattage resistor so thats a problem
     
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    Surely it wouldn't be that much? Resistors for LED indicators are about 8ohms at 12 volts DC (about 21 watts). I think we would be running resistors between 4-6 ohms.
     
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    I've tested my cop wiring, at idle there's 14.04v going into coil 1 from the TCI, and there's 12.2v coming out of coil 4 to the TCI
    I think because the coil's are not constantly running there's not much of a voltage drop there
    If it was a constant load like 2 30 watt bulb's wired in parrallel then yeah i'm sure they'd dim a bit

    My COP coil's are using around 60 watt's of power per pair, and drawing around 4.25 Amp's at 6000 rpm from memory
     
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