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Help Cylinder 1 sputtering and wetting plugs - CBR250RR

Discussion in 'Honda 250cc In-line 4's' started by hazz97, Apr 25, 2019.

  1. hazz97

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    This is my first post on a forum so sorry if the formatting is wrong.

    To start with my bike is an mc22 CBR250RRR (as seen in my dp) and I have a few problems with 1 cylinder that I cannot work out. Cylinder 1 keeps fouling with fuel and sputtering while i hold a constant speed at say 1/8 to 1/4 throttle. When i first start up the bike it runs and revs on all 4 cylinders but if i leave the bike to idle for more than say 30 seconds the spark plug is wet to the point that it doesn't fire, it also smells really fuely (is that a word?). after it does this i have to ride it hard until it decided to kick back in which is usually within 30 seconds of riding. The pilot setting currently is at 2 1/8 as the service manual says, it also has cr8eh9 spark plugs in it which seem to foul a little less. That is the first problem i have which may also be the cause of the second problem which is the surging at low throttle.

    Basically while i ride regardless of rpm or temp that same cylinder feels like its cutting in and out only while Im maintaining a constant speed, it runs perfectly if the throttle is half way or wide open with no missing or hesitation, the problem only exists when there is low throttle. The feeling is like its bucking forward and the noise of it cutting in and out is really noticeable. Im completely out of ideas at this point so Im turning to the forums for help, the things I have tried so far are as follows:

    -Clean all passageways and balanced carbs
    -Replace all jets, float needles and gaskets
    -Change spark plugs (twice)
    -Check for vacuum leaks by spraying starting fluid around the carb and listening
    -Changed all the slides and needles
    -New air filter
    -Fiddled with the pilot screw each way to see if anything changes

    Thats all i can think of that Ive done off the top of my head any help would be greatly appreciated.
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    Welcome to the forum, Could be a dodgy coil lead / cap causing your issues
     
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    Thanks for the prompt reply!
    Could that cause the sputtering at low throttle only? Ive taken out the leads and tested then with a spark plug touching the case and there is spark there, Not sure what its meant to look like but it looked small and purple in colour.
     
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    You should have a nice blue spark, I have seen coils break down under load, may be a lead as well. Unplug the spark plug cap from cylinder 1 and 4 , put your multi meter on ohms and measure the impedance between both caps , should be from memory 23-32 ohms. While you are measuring the ohms , move the coil leads a little and see if reading stays constant or if it drops. Could be as simple as having to unstew the cap and snip 2mm on cool lead off and re thread the cap back on
     
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    Murdo The Good Doctor Staff Member Contributing Member Ride and Events Crew

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    As you bike is now 25 years old, I would be looking to replace the plug wires and caps to eliminate them as a possible cause. Check that the wires are screwed into the coil fully as they sometimes come loose from use. Try swapping the leads on the 1 & 4 coil to different sides and see if your problem then goes to No 4 cylinder. This will eliminate the coil as a problem. I have the correct plug wire if you wish to replace them.
     
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    Welcome. Well written description of your problem. So you have narrowed it down to 2 options.
    1/ Cylinder 1 is only firing intermittently
    2/ Cylinder 1 is running extremely rich.
    If you can swap the plug leads from 1 & 4 then you will be able to quickly determine whether your problem is 1 or 2.
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    Ill try trimming the leads now and let you know the result. Thanks for that tutorial GreyImport!
     
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    That coil test thread ^ is for FZR250's too, your Honda may have different reading's

    Have you checked that the float level's / fuel height's are all correct and the same across all 4x carby's ?


    Another handy tool is a non contact digital thermometer
    You point it at the exhaust near the head with the engine running and push the read button, and it can help to pinpoint what and where your problem is.
    If it's running too rich the temp will be lower than the other cylinders, too lean and it'll read higher than the other cylinders
    https://www.ebay.com.au/itm/Digital...m4b5223aa40:g:XIwAAOSwsj5bhSbd&frcectupt=true

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    UPDATE:

    I cut down the coil leads at the spark plug side and cleaned the contacts which didn't seem to make much difference. I ordered one of the mentioned thermometers from eBay so hopefully i get that next week sometime. I made some progress though by turning in the pilot screw all the way and then out about a quarter turn on cylinder 1s carb only the sputtering seems to be a lot less but still there slightly. My theory is that the choke circuit may be leaking fuel in some way making it run really rich at idle, can anyone shed some light if this is a possible cause? Im fairly sure now its not the coils but haven't ruled them out all together.

    I want to thank everyone for their responses, its been a big help.
     
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    I dont think the floats are adjustable on the mc22 carby could be wrong though.
     
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    Yes, the choke circuit is a possibility but it would mean that:
    1/ the plunger is seized partially open
    2/ the seal in the end of the plunger is damaged
    3/ the body is cracked somewhere
     
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    When trimming the plug wires you need to do the ends that go into the coil too.
     
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    Do the plugs at the coil side unscrew like they do at the boot side?
     
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    Looks like they clip off

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    Heres the coil test readings

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    Having a fiddle today and turns out the coil side of the wire does just unscrew and pop right out!( If anyone was wondering)

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    UPDATE

    Checked all the resistances of the coils and they were all within spec. I also replaced the choke plunger thing but still if i leave it to idle the plugs foul up and end up black and soaked in fuel...
     
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