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FZR250 - had work done to my bike and . . .

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    These are for very informative about the summer here in ireland lads
     

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    We used to have location shown, but it disappeared. @kiffsta ?
     
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    Here in Australia, learner bikes (LAMS - Learner Approved Motorcycle Scheme) officially cannot be modified. To register a bike it needs to pass a blueslip or safety inspection as they call it now. Most mechanics won't pass your vehicle if it has a loud exhaust on it, so the stock one is useful in that regard.

    Also, vehicles over 5 years old here need a yearly safety inspection.

    Why mechanics get antsy about loud bike exhausts, I have no idea. Most don't have catalytic converters and since bikes are harder to see I agree that having a loud exhaust is a must... just not an excessively loud one. Also think about when you're cruising on the highway at 9-10 thousand RPM with that loud exhaust... it's why I opted for the longer one.

    I still would like to do this one day though

     
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    Im a learner here but because im 24 I can drive any size bike but I chose the 250 as I know im much too brave for my own good maybe next year ill get a 750.

    We test cars like thar but not bikes. Its called nct you get tested once every two years for cars 4 years old and once a year for anything 10 years old.

    That fzr sounded mental would love it but sadly even here thats going to draw attention lol

    Its 5:33 am here I dont know is sleeping an option now lmao
     
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    DOh, everytime I patch, this setting goes away, fixed it now
     
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    I checked the time diff this morning & was wondering if you might be working or something that required you to be awake through the night
     
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    Will id love to be working lost my job little over a year ago :-/ I wouldnt be poor now thats for sure.
    Anyway heres some pictures of everything. I trimmed plug leads. Took out plugs took pictures. Took out the needles set them to 3rd clip metal washer nylon washer two were already like this two had exrra washer. The washers in mine 3 of them are quite big I doubt there the standard ones you will see in the pictures. Ive the carbs seated perfect all tight and the air box was never on as well as it is now I used a hair dryer to soften up the boots. Also my filter was gone dry so I sprayed a lil oil onto the foam. Plugs are 1234 respectively

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    Few more pics

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    Right so an update on this is . . . . I drove to the shop got some jungle juice and went down a decent main road forba good flonking (I know I shouldnt with the state of my chain) so here goes it goes exceedingly well if you keep it on the limit like 16k to limit up the gears I got 160kph out of it no bother. It seems to dislike gathering speed in a high gear ie in 6th at 100kph pulls to 120kph good struggles to keep going after this or should I just be gearing down or something? Its alot better anyway I doubt its the placebo effect lol
     
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    By the look of the plugs & what your saying about top end power I'd say she needs more fuel
    Everything seems in order so first thought is maybe the fuel pump isn't working & holding back flow, fuel pump is contentious because they'll run without one, check it out, cross it onto a battery & see if it runs.
    She starts ok i gather so its probably not compression / valves / head
    If youve got the energy, strip the carbies again & clean the jets it could be build up in the orifices or in a gallery in the alloy, 3 Bond is good, or a fine strand of copper wire & carby cleaner
    Another trick i saw recently was injector cleaner was run through the carbies as a cleaner without removal, seemed to work as the problem dissapeared, it was on a clean bike that doesn't get a lot of work, i thought if was a good preventative maintenance idea for bikes that sit around with evaporating fuel in them, Blair might know more re what effect it has on rubber parts etc
    You've come a long way now & nearly there, keep at it
    Check your wheel bearings too, make sure none are seized, it could be holding the bike up, doesnt take much at high revs
     
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    What were the needle clip positions? People put the washers in as it makes the bike run richer (lifts the needle out further and lets more fuel through). Now that you've got the airbox on properly, how does the bike idle once warm? You'll need to adjust the idle jets if it's bogging down or hanging above idle speed. New airbox boots would be good as well.

    As for speed, you don't want to be revving it out to redline and then changing gear... Peak torque is at 14,500 RPM.

    It might be a good idea to have a compression test done just to see what the numbers are. When we took the head off mine and leak tested the valves, they all leaked as you can see here:

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    You will want to do the valve shims as well. Feeler gauges and a torque wrench are the tools you will need. Inlet valve clearance 0.11-0.20mm exhaust valve clearance 0.21-0.30mm

    When I did the shims in mine, only 2 valves were still in spec. The bike ran OK but could be hard to start and getting speed in 6th gear was a struggle.

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    What else... oh yes, new piston rings... most of mine were out of spec or right on the high end of the service limit.

    My bike was also missing the fuel pump so getting low on fuel would result in me having to change to reserve early to keep the gravity feed working.
     
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    I tested the pump a while back and it was a1, it always primes when i turn on the key aswell. well plug number 3 looks the best anyway, 2 and 1 then 4 being the worst.
    It hasnt been too long since the carbs were done and today would have been the day to go cleaning them but the bikes back together now so I might put injector cleaner in next fill up. How would I know if I had a bad wheel bearing?

    The clip postion was right on carbs 2 and 3 but the metal washer was on the bottom instead of the top. 1 and four had clip 3 and metal washer nylon washer metal washer.Also Linkin I only had one of those small metal washers. All the rest have the big metal washer they seen the same thickness no my eye just wider.

    The bike idles good not too high or low when hot and cold and doesnt bog down under throttle.

    I wouldnt normally but it seems to like the top end of the rev range?
    So anything above 14.5 rpm is empty revs?

    My valve clearances were just done this is the way the bike came back would you believe!

    He compression tested it and he said it was much better than he imagined it was going to be but he didnt give me the numbers and I dont happen to have a compression tester :(

    He replaced 4 shims he said they were very bad I dont know did he swap the rest around or what.

    Its almost right now anyway its very driveable the way it is. It doesnt stall or bog down in the low end, the mid range is a bit iffy not as bad in lower gears, it absolutely flys in the top end. Thats about all I can say
     
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    Take off the stator cover and the valve cover and check that the timing is right. To change the shims your mechanic would have had to remove the cams.
     
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    Wheel bearing best way put hands either side and when in full lock one way see if any movement in wheel
     
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    Well this guy as piggy as he may be is a main yammy kawasaki suzuki dealer so if the timing is off I will want a refund for his services. Im guessing there is going to be marks on it that need to line up with another mark?

    Ill get timmy to give me a hand checking them bearings tomorrow if he is here. The only noise I can hear is the chain when free wheeling and then the clutch when in neutral, how big a job is doing the clutch im sure mine has slipped on me once or twice
     
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    Correct. The timing marks are on the stator and the camshafts+camshaft caps

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    Clutch replacement is a simple job but you'll need a new side cover gasket or it'll leak for sure.
    You can buy gasket paper cheaply & cut your own if the originals are expensive or hard to get.
    Your top end power problems might well be the clutch slip, clutches will slip when theyre under the most stress & thats at 14500rpm when it's making the max power, they slip at lower revs when the plates get worse. A slipping clutch will eventually warp the steel pressure plates so it's a good idea to nip it in the bud, replace the springs as well while your at it.
    To best test the wheel bearings, take the wheel off & stick your finger in it & feel if its smooth or lumpy or seized, we had a CBR here & the front bearings were seized solid & he'd been riding it like that for a while, new bearings in & what a difference, steering was smooth & relaxed like it should.
     
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    Thanks linkin for that its handy to know.

    You wont believe this but I havent had a chance to go at the bike my chain hasnt arrived and theres a bloody monsoon outside so ive orderd a cover now also for my bike Its crap not having a garage anymore :(

    Gasket paper is hard to get here no motor factors stocks it for some reason. I would usually use some hi temp gasket maker when in stuck.

    As soon as the bad weather subsides ill be back at the bike for more punishment lol
     
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