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Project Joker's Angry Fizzer 400

Discussion in 'Other Projects - Other Bikes (non 250's)' started by Joker, Nov 4, 2016.

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  1. Joker

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    Ok so that means magneto side then.
     
    Joker, Jan 21, 2017
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    Well good news and bad news... Start with the good...

    Engine's back together and all torqued up.

    20170121_133411.jpg

    Starting to look like a bike again.... finally.

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    However this could be a problem....

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    To answer the immediate question yes I was tightening in the correct sequence and I was doing it by hand. Both went "click" and snapped clean through - could have been slightly bent from previous and didn't like something. Or the cam is in the wrong way around (hope not) I put it in with the T marks on the same side as the magneto (LHS sitting on the bike). Really wish I knew without hesitation.

    I've done this so many times before on the 250 etc never had this problem but can't do anything now I need to source some replacements so apart from letting my aggression out at training it's time to move it forward... If anyone has a set to suit the 400 please let me know, I am aware of some places in the UK and have a guy pulling them out of a engine he's wrecking for me but it's gonna cost me $100 for the set. Suppose I've got this far so will have to wear it but the frustration at being so close eats at me still.
     
    Joker, Jan 23, 2017
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    I wonder if the broken cam retainer's/bridge's are the same as the FZR600 ?
    Even the R6 one's look similar or the same ?

    Is there any part number cast into the one's off the 400 ?
    Might get lucky and be able to match them up?
     
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  4. Joker

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    Yeh I did try that.. the 400 manual has no part number for them :(

    I spoke to @MashtX and he said the 600 ones could be similar but I'd have to get my hands on a set and try. For the moment sourcing 400 ones is not impossible just expensive.
     
    Joker, Jan 23, 2017
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    FZR400, FZR600 and YZF600 have a lot of common and interchangeabe parts all the way through the engine - checking the service manuals for cam bearing sizes between them will at least allow you to quickly identify differences or similarities
     
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    kiffsta, Jan 23, 2017
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    Any bits you buy from another engine will not have been machined/bored the same and may not line up correctly. Why do the bearing caps have to be joined other than to screw the cover into? Lots of engines have individual bearing caps.
    More importantly, why did they break? Need to work that out so the next lot you buy don't do the same.
     
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  9. Joker

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    This should clear it up, a photo I got from a guy wrecking an engine. I assume it is correct. Front side is exhaust side, arrows pointing left (if sitting on the bike pointing right) and cam discs/marks are on the RHS (if sitting on the bike on the left) which confirms it is magneto not clutch side.

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    Joker, Jan 25, 2017
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    Murdo makes a good point Stu. You might be okay using the broken ones you have and just making sure everything is going into place correctly.
     
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    Worst case pop the head with the good caps off, recondition it and use it. Keep the original one for spare shims, valves, buckets, etc.
     
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    Well I don't have a spare head, I've only got the 1. I got some sent over from the UK so I suppose it's a waiting game now. I think the biggest problem is the caps seem to be bowed so even if I was to attempt to put them on I'm not sure it would go so well. New set of 4 cost me around $75, had to bite the bullet on that - so be it.

    To answer Q's no I haven't been to 400 grey bike... also they may not line up but I'll give it a go and see what happens.... point taken on the caps, it's a good thought, but I'd rather not risk it with this bike just in case. If it was the FZ I'd give it a whirl.

    If something doesn't line up I'll have a look at the caps and see what can be done. JB weld is turning out to be very strong stuff so that could be an option too.
     
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    Problem with using new caps is that the head and the original caps would have been line bored. You could end up with them too tight on the bearings or too loos on the bearings... either way its not ideal for an engine that spins to high RPM.
     
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    Yes I'm aware of that. But not wanting to send a whole head from the UK at a ridiculous price I have no other choice but to try and see.
     
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    Well... this popped it's head up and I needed a daily while the 400 is in the shop so...

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    Yep. That happened. What a fantastic bike this is... just as I expected.
     
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    Nice, a gsx650, good buy ?
     
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    Joker See "about me" for contact details. Contributing Member

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    Very good price, 2009 model with 9800 on the clock. Rides like the wind. Really love the riding position, could ride this thing all day.
     
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    The caps are marked E1, E2, I 1, I 2. E1 is front left, E2 front right, I 1 is inlet LHS, I 2 is inlet RHS looking forward. The dowel pattern will tell you which way round the caps go.
    Ignore the bloody arrows, Yamaha put them there to confuse you. I'd just offer the broken caps back on and see how it all feels.
    Yamaha markings in this area are just plain bad. I've had to hone head and caps on a couple of FZR1000's and an R1 where the owners have put them back together wrongly and seized the cams. It is possible to align hone damaged heads.
     
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