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Project My '90 FZR250 3LN3

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  1. maelstrom

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    @my67xr It would be good to have a Tech Tip thread about repairing ABS bodywork and you are the man for that job. Then Mr @GreyImport can make it a sticky. :)
     
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    my67xr Bike Enthusiast Staff Member Premium Member Contributing Member

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    Yeah i can do that, the right fairing has a decent 100mm long crack and is missing a 50mm x 15mm section
    Should be able to do it early next week
     
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    Great, please make it for dumb bodywork noobs like me, so you have to tell us what grit paper to use and all the boring details. :)
     
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    I concur with Blair.....needs to be as simple as possible with a host of details, that would be my "wish list":thumb_ups:
     
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    my67xr Bike Enthusiast Staff Member Premium Member Contributing Member

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    Yeah that's pretty easy, my wife think's i'm simple :prankster:

    Picked up some supply's at a good price today, they were clearing out some old stock's
    Plastic Adhesion Primer, Plastic Primer, Etch Primer, 2x Primer Surfacer all for $2 a can at my local Paint Supply's place
    Polyester Filler (semi flexible) to fill any low's left in the repair's, $8
    And a 4 litre 2k Express Clear kit (high solid's clear and Hardener) with 1L of reducer for $34 the lot

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    You have to put all those goodies in the new thread and explain what it all means having 4 different primers.
     
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    Lol,
    I'll only use the plastic primer over the repair's, then the 2K clear over the top as a final coat, the rest of the paint i bought cause it was cheap and i'm alway's painting something
    The Plastic Adhesion Primer is for new plastic's when you want to paint it
    The Etch primer is a key coating for use on bare metal's to provide rust and corrosion resistance and help's to give the primer or top coat something solid to stick to
    My own car (1967 XR Fairmont) is painted without using a primer, just etch primer, then base coat colour, then clear, and there's no way you can tell by the final finish.
    And the Surface Primer is used for slight surface building, and priming painted and etch primed metal or plastic's when you have a slightly lower surface from sanding/blending paint edge's etc

    Painting is all about preparation, and making sure each step is done properly with out trying to fast track it or cheat by using primer filler's etc

    You can get a High Build Primer/Filler which is used for any bigger surface impefection's including filling low's, filling chip's etc
    But you are best off fixing these type of impefection's before you prime as it can shrink back and cause it mark's once the paint has dried
    When you paint something the mixed paint contain's thinner's or reducer, this is mixed with the paint to thin the paint / reduce the viscosity and make it easier to spray and give you a smoother finish
    As the paint start's to dry the thinner's/reducer evaporate's and the paint thickness will reduce
    If you have filled a scratch with primer, let it dry then rub it back smooth, when you top coat it some of the thinner's will soak into the primer and sort of puff it up a little, the area that is thick will shrink back more when it dries causing 'Shrink Back mark's, they sort of look like little puddle's and line's

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    These are the cracks/damage i'll be repairing
    In the 3rd pic you can see where Yamaha got the colour code of Black/Blue from, Black base coat with Blue Pearl and clear over the top
    Someone has had a go at repairing this damage previously, they've used fibreglass matting then put a coat of resin over the top.
    The fibreglass doesn't stick to the ABS too well, i doubt they even scuffed the ABS with 36 grit paper to help it bond.
    You can see a couple of the scratch's on the black rear section of the tank too that i mentioned earlier

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    Picked up a piece of scrap black ABS from a Plastic Fabricator's shop this afternoon to use when fixing my fairing (no charge)
    I also called into another 2 Plastic's shop's looking for Acrylic cement to repair windscreen crack's.
    I bought some cement and an applicator syringe so i can have a go at repairing my screen, the salesman also gave me some scrap acrylic to practice on

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    Make a new thread in the Tech Tips section @my67xr and Mr Grey will make it a sticky. It will just get buried over time if you leave it here.

    Why did you choose sheet ABS for this job and what looks like ABS sticks that would fit in a glue gun for the other job?
     
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    Yeah i'll post the pic's there too.
    The ABS sheet is to repair the missing triangular section, 80mm x 20mm x 80mm, the ABS rod's are for repairing the crack's
    Filling the triangular section with the rod's would make an untidy repair and make it more work to finish compared to the sheet

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    Got the rocker cover painted over the weekend, so now when i'm ready to check the valve clearance's i can fit the blue cover on

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    My new reflective stripe's arrived today
    I need to take the second row of checker's off the fairing lower too

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    Here's a pic in the day time,
    I'm thinking i might customize the reflective stripe's to make them look a bit better, not sure when though

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    So uhh... when you coming round to paint mine? :p

    If I might pick your brains though, how would you do a simple repair on re-attaching a plastic fairing lug to the inside of the fairing? I've heard things like using cable ties and soldering irons which I have attempted as a practise with average results. It works, but when you sand it it goes all flakey so not ideal. Problem is I don't know where to get a small amount of the right material because I really only need to do the one.
     
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    Zip tie's are usually made of Polyethylene (PE) or Polypropylene (PP)so either won't stick or melt into the ABS fairing's, but they should work on MX bike plastic's
    Did you see my ABS plastic welding thread ?
    http://2fiftycc.com/index.php?threa...abs-fairings-plastic-welding.8890/#post-91477

    My bike is missing both the front lug's on the rear side fairing's that push into the rubber's on the lower rear of the tank.
    I have just drilled a hole temporarily and used an under fender trim Scrivet type clip to hold the fairing's to the tank.
    I need to make a mould and make some new lug's to weld on

    Pm me your address, i'll send you an ABS filler rod
     
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    No I didn't know it was there! Now I do!

    Where do you buy them from? Bunnings? maybe I can pick one up locally, failing that the offer is appreciated :)
     
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    Yeah they're from Bunning's,
    1 200mm rod did that whole repair on my fairing, i still have a heap left from that pack

    You could use the rod's to spin/friction weld the lug's back on too if you have a dremel or similar
    Think the rod's might need to be a bit thinner though, my Dremel take's up to a 3mm diameter bit
    http://hackaday.com/2012/12/31/make-your-own-plastic-friction-welder/
     

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