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  1. kiffsta

    kiffsta Administrator Staff Member Dirty Wheel Club Contributing Member

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    Hi Everyone

    We have worked hard to build a collection of manuals and brochures for our members to use and enjoy , however more and more people join up, grab a manual and take off with out saying gday... well that is pretty ordinary.

    The Manuals section is now secured, if you want access , there will be a $10 donation to upgrade your account to Premium Status, this will help pay for the cost of running the site and weed out those who eat and run. To upgrade your account, you will need to have access to Paypal. once paid, it will take a few mins for your account to become "Premium"

    To upgrade your account, click here :

    http://2fiftycc.com/index.php?account/upgrades

    Please note this payment is for 2 years only, it is not a reoccurring payment, and we do appreciate your support. Existing members who have contributed previously, just PM me your details and I will enable access.

    thanks

    The Admin Team
     
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    good idea.
     
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    Hi
    Iam going to jump in, where angles fear to tread....maybe!!

    You can get the same manual on the web any where,,,so why join for long time ?. If its a really good pfd format part doc then I'am almost there. If bike agents offer deals etc in adverts etc "out side the box" you have me. If wreckers send in stock parts etc I would love you big time, change the format from the main stream looking format of Forums to something more interactive....?? An Interactive parts palace...

    Do we have to paint a picture ? Sorry you are doing a great job,,,but guys !!!

    The Bear :)))
     
  4. GreyImport

    GreyImport Administrator Staff Member The Big Cheese Contributing Member

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    Would you like me to tell you how many hours I have spent finding and searching , converting to PDF , editing , up loading most of those resources ?
    Lets not talk hours ... lets talk days ..... lots of days.
    And what happens? half the downloads are 5 minute members just getting the "manual on the web anywhere"

    Thats not what its about.

    And how many places can u go and theres not just a manual ...but parts lists ,specs , brochures or wateva ...all in the same place for a certain model

    Forums like this are about questions and answers , information on tap , a place to talk about a common interest or just a rant or a laugh......and occasionly a few parts change hands.

    Theres members that put in alot of their spare time in here to have what we have now ..... and webhosting and servers etc arnt free last time I looked.

    If $10 will burn a hole in your pocket ... I think you have picked the wrong hobby.
     
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  5. Mclaren

    Mclaren Well-Known Member Contributing Member

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    Agree I haven't yet but will do!!!!
    You guys have a heap if info on here and good convos about anything keep up the good work happy to splurge hahaha
     
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    i know what the current server is costing and who is paying. i have suggested to that person a donation.if somebody needs a manual to download 5 bucks is cheap.i have no hassles in chipping in and am not known for generosity to useless causes. this site is not useless but is a positive help to many.
     
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    Well that seems to be working and people are chipping in, great....well you might make the 100 sods.

    Iam not and I never said the site is useless etc what Iam saying is there is a better way and a better value in offering guests real value, Wrecker and Shop sales offers more inactive projects and product reports ending up with more $$$$$ to pay for the site,,,,,Like a real interactive guest environment talking together real time on a daily basis about different issues or just general stuff....

    Its not that the site is not good but with an open mind it could be better and better for the reader..!!!!!

    Thanks Bear

    PS Sorry this is my last no more Johnny Farnham repeats
     
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    sent you a pm and your opinion is equal to others.i hope you stay and i am sure other members agree.i never said that you inferred the site was useless. i consider it valuable. your ideas i am certain will bve discussed by the moderators and will be implemented if possible.new feature is the chat room on monday nites.
     
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  9. Tim_

    Tim_ resident nutcase Premium Member Dirty Wheel Club Contributing Member

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    So what your basically asking is for the hard working people of this site to offer out free services to people who would be bother in help us out in way shape or form? Have you been to a bike mechanic lately? What about a bike wreckers for parts? They charge premium prices for second hand parts. And a shop will sting you $85 an hour and they are always "getting around to it now".

    Hell you need to pay to $2 every time you want to go to a car wreckers. And they make you pull off your own parts and pay to use their tools. I will always get behind a good cause and this site is a great cause. It's not just One bike brand here and it's not like we are forcing you to do anything.

    I will give you an example of my dealings with wreckers. I asked the owner for advice on how to test my coils with a multi meter to see if they were faulty. (I had been buying from this wreckers for weeks and spent plenty of money there.)

    Me: hi mate, I just your advice to know if I was doing this right?

    Him: yeah mate I got advice for you. Go to trade school, find an apprenticeship and learn how to do it. Your taking away from my job so why would I tell you?

    I called him a few names and told him where he could shove his shop. So to me this site is heaven.

    My point is dude. We are willing to help anyone here. All we ask is for a little help In return. Even if it is just to help maintain the site.


    Rant over
    Cheers
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    Th3_Huntsman Senior Member Premium Member Contributing Member

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    Might have to add my 2c, well 5 bucks lol,

    $5.00 a year for all the resources is a good deal, there is a guy on eBay selling the same zxr250 manual as you can download here (scanned dodgy) for $13.95 all you get is a disc. We also have parts lists all in one convenient location for the price of a coffee.

    Hell if you don't want to pay we can even link you up the section you need, Kiffsta did this for a new member asking about across carbs. If you say g'day and ask for abit of help most of us will deliver it's all about common courtesy. I have definitely obtained more then $5.00 knowledge this past year as a member of this site.

    I dare say I'm now more knowledgable at trouble shooting an old bike then an apprentice at team moto lol
    I have donated in the past and will continue to do so. :drinks:

    Cheers

    Tyson Aka Th3 Huntsman
     
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  11. Joker

    Joker If you want me find Club250 on facebook. Premium Member Contributing Member

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    I'm all for good ideas mate, but they have to be practical - and in this case I don't think what your suggesting will work. You're pitching what is essentially a mini business model to the wrong audience. This site is dedicated to furthering motorcycling knowledge and fellowship by an admirable bunch of people who voluntarily give up their time for something they are very passionate about.

    It's one thing to say "value for money" but the sad reality is most people on the internet want as much as possible for as little as possible. I wouldn't be surprised if a number of people left the site because they now have to pay a measly $5 to access the resources.

    I don't recall seeing any advertisements on this site, so considering it is run on a shoestring by a bunch of volunteers - it would be well to appreciate what we've got.

    There are a lot of great ideas out there, but a disproportionate amount of people who will actually work hard to implement them. Most of them will leave it to someone else. Again sad, but reality.

    Stick around dude, add some value and join the "give and take" that keeps this community alive.

    Peace.
     
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  12. Tim_

    Tim_ resident nutcase Premium Member Dirty Wheel Club Contributing Member

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    Well said stu.
     
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    Zeal4Life What bike would the Joker ride... Premium Member Contributing Member

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    I certainly have a take on this and goes a little something like:
    1. Choice
    If I knew I had to pay a 'compulsory fee' (whether $5 or $0.05) I would have close the browser connection, immediately washed my eyes, scrubbed my hands, disconnected and serviced my computer to rid such violations of digital freedom... OK, slight exaggeration

    Well that's just me, and at the time when I signed up I never had to pay such a thing.
    So, now I'm still here, fee or no fee, and I reckon I'll still be around for the long haul.

    Why?

    Because in three weeks I've already managed to save over 15 years of fees(@ $5pa) minimum :thumb_ups:
    And before this topic came up I had made a donation which was worth-every-cent-given.

    So, let's get it right!
    This isn't about files it's about mateship before industry, and the understanding that we are all contributors to this community and frontier, whether you like it, or not; are a 5 minute stayer; a $$$$+ donator; or just about to leg it...

    In the real world there are many ways to contribute to a real community, and so that is why I prefer choice, even if that choice were a 10 trophy point minimum for high quality downloads etc. the choice is still there.

    I believe if you give people options then likely most of 'em will be as obliged as I was when it comes to realizing their gratitude :cool:

    ... Hell I'm not saying every ******* is gonna wake up to themselves, but hey, the point should be clear:lolsign:
     
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    Just to follow on from Zeals post which raises some good points .....
    the $5 thing is not really a "u have to pay for our precious resources" .... as already mentioned if someone joined ,posted up a thread and was desperate for a manual but was pennyless ...we would quite happily send him the info if it meant his bike was to be fixed because of it.

    We previously had a 3 posts first before u could access downloads ..... but software and at the time having to manually implement it to every single resource as u go was impractical.

    The whole purpose is to discourage joining just to get the resource served on a platter.

    And if you want to try and find some of the resources Ive uploaded here ....good luck ...take a packed lunch
    And u will find many will be on pay only download sites or hidden in forums with restrictions.

    Also if u have been on as many different forums as I have you will find restrictions on new members , premium memberships and things like OCAU (overclockers) u have to be a member for 3 months before u can enter the trade section.


    This sums it up ...... and if u look at the list of contributing members then Id say the same goes for everyone.

    And lets not forget ..... the fiver .... and any other contributions certainly doesnt go into our back pockets ...... it goes into making this whole thing what is .... and I think its a damn fine place these days!

    amen

    PS.. Ask Zeal wat his original user name was ..... and look where he is now .... fully involved! :lolsign:
     
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    LOL:help:
     
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    You will get notin' I tell ya... nothin!! .... ok it was togetfiles :fuckyou:
     
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    I wasn't meaning Compulsory fee at all. Just that a $5 fee to access the manuals is really nothing compared to the amount you pay for a mechanic to take a look at your bike. And not to mention the attitude and ridicule you get if you ask what they feel is a stupid question.

    Yes it is about choice and the site is not making anyone shell out anything if they don't want to. You pick your level of involvement.

    It's also good to know your hard work is appreciated. So for those people who have put many man hours into the site seeing the "contributing member" box next to someone's display picture can be the pay for that hard work.

    This is just to clear up what I said earlier. I reread my post and realise it need to be clearer.
    Zeal your correct in everything you say. We are Aussies and we pride our selves on helping one another so we are not going to turn away anyone who ask for our advice or a helping hand. I just wouldn't want to be taken for granted when offering that help is all.
     
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    Everyone is entiteled to an opinion Bear but I'd rather see a forum masquerading as a forum rather than a blatant money making exercise masquerading as a forum. Unfortunately that's what a lot of so called forums are these days.
     
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    Cheers, Tim.

    I certainly don't have anywhere near the experience/hours the guys have clocked up over the years, so it's hard for me to make any formal standing without the background to go...

    But one thing is for certain, every man and his dog expects some fair-dinkum with every bit of hard-yakka, and from time to time any man and his dog would return the favour, one way or another.

    :drinks: so (businesses aside) I reckon we're all good :lolsign:
     
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    Hi All,

    I was out last night with the family and haven’t had a chance to respond, first off I’d like to thank everyone here who has posted with feedback (all types). I guess here is my chance to respond.

    So let’s step back and understand why Phil and I started 2fiftycc.com, we had a Suzuki across and we needed some advice, there was a Toyota car forum with an across board and it had only had about 5 posts in the previous year, it had died out. We also had a Suzuki T250 and a GT250 in the garage and couldn’t find a forum that info for those bikes either. After a bit more research, we saw that many of the forums for 250cc bikes were dead, dying so after a few beers I suggested why don’t we try and make our own one, shortly after 2fiftycc.com was born.
    One of my obsolete rules was that it would be free for all and would cater for all 250cc road bikes. It was a hard slog to get it started, we had no idea about how to market the forum, we even paid for ad’s to be run in 2wheels magazine to try and promote it.

    To try and differentiate ourselves from other boards, we tried to implement features such as having workshop manuals in a downloads section, we also tried to collect other items such as brochures etc and make them available. Other features we implemented are things like chat rooms so we can talk BS about our bikes, a Showcase so people can share picture and details of their bikes, I’m always on the lookout for more interesting ideas to make this site interesting.

    Bear made the suggestion that we could have an interactive parts palace and to be honest that is my dream, but let’s walk through the commercials of such a venture. In 2010 I was approach by the owner of 6 x 40 foot shipping containers full of bike parts, they were from a bike wrecker in Brisbane called Brisbane Motorcycles who sold out to a property developer. In order to be a licensed wrecker in Queensland I have to sit a course become licensed, this is a similar to a motor vehicle dealer’s license. Once I have my license, I need to locate suitable premises which fit within my council town planning scheme, I am unable to operate this as a home based business. Once I have my premises I need to register my business and source my Public Liability insurance, now let me tell you that 2nd hand motorcycles parts are one of the highest risk businesses to insure, for example if I was going to sell Tshirts, my PI insurance would be $300 - $500 per year, a motorcycle wrecker is $15000 ------à and up each year. I now understand why they are all shutting down. Just to open the doors without making a sale, my overheads including a secure building were circa $60k per annum ( very conservative estimate), then I need to buy bikes and start wrecking them. The other issue is that people now do this themselves and sell parts on Ebay, I always get a shock when I read why a wrecker charges $300 for a set of Carbies, but now at least I understand why, little Johnny can buy the same bike as the wrecker, part it out and sell parts on-line for a fraction of what a wrecker can and make good money.

    New parts, now this is also a venture I am interested in, and would love to have here on the forum, however the 250cc market is somewhat limited and again I would need space to hold my stock and compete with others who ply their trade on-line. Let’s face it, the manufacturers are required to keep spares for 10 years after the bike ceases production, then after that you are on your own. In all reality the likes of Yamaha, Suzuki, Kawasaki and Honda are pretty good at having spares past that date. I could easily register a business and sell new parts here, would I become a millionaire, nah I doubt it, it’s a very saturated market and with the advent of the internet, we can click our mouse button and have parts shipped from all over the world to our doorsteps. It not worth doing if there isn’t a decent profit to be made. This is why I am so keen to support small business like Xcitebikes.com and Litetek.co , they fill a gap in the market and need and deserve all the support we can give them.

    Monetize the forum, Fox has raised the point that many of the forums out there are there to make money, I am a member of many of these forums and I do understand why they do it, I for one want to keep this place as free as possible.
    For the sake of shits and giggles let’s have a quick chat about how much an internet forum costs to run:

    Domain Registration - $100 for 5 years
    Server Hosting - $480 per year
    Server Software Xenforo - $250 upfront purchase - $50 per year for support
    Server add on’s like the Chat room, Resources section, and the server theme - $150 upfront and $50 ongoing support.
    Forum Tagging cards - $170 for 2000 cards
    Vinyl for stickers - $30 for 10 meters
    Postage of stickers - etc
    Time…. We can’t put a price on the time that Grey Import, Phil, Th3 Huntsman and myself put into the place as well as our regular members.

    I don’t have any ad’s running on the site, I think they are tacky. I don’t mind funding the costs out of my pocket, yes I am the little Johnny who wheels and deals in second hand bikes and parts and this helps fund this site less the donations from members for Sponsoring Team Tiger, we received about $120 in donations over the past 12 months and for that I am grateful. I don’t ask, I don’t badger, if people want to contribute then great, it’s a not a prerequisite. I cut stickers for people who want them, again it’s free.

    So back to the Manuals section, as Grey Import eludes to, he has spent an inordinate amount of time downloading and sorting and cleaning up resources for the members here, it’s a thankless tasks and we as a moderating team get frustrated when we get 10 new members on the site and 8 of them download their manual and are never seen again, whereas only 2 will stay for a chat. I’m by means that cocky that this is the best forum in the world and I have a right to demand that people join up and must share their 2 wheeled experience… all I am saying is that if you want to eat and run, sling a few bucks our way.

    So what will I do with our ill-gotten gains? Well to be honest it would be nice to reward our Mods with a slab of beer or a bottle of scotch at Xmas time, after all they put in so much time and effort and in the end volunteer their time. If there is any left over, I would like to help offsets the costs of sponsoring riders such as Simon from Team Tiger, I would so dearly love to extend this to other riders as well as I am becoming painfully aware of how much it costs to race and by helping someone out with a modest donation is a cool way to give back to the Motorcycle Community in general. I feel as a community we can help keep people on the track and this is done with a spirit of community that you find in forums such as this.

    I don’t expect everyone to agree with me as to what I have implemented a pay section, it’s not about making my millions so I can retire on tropical island, it’s about giving back. Bear if my suggestion of a donation insults you or drives you away, then so be it, as you say the manuals are all over the internet and I’m not forcing anyone to pay. I did offer to all existing members that if you get involved and post on the forum , that I have no issues in giving you access, all it takes in a PM to a moderator to request access.

    Anyway, that’s my 2cents worth, I hope it explains why.

    Thanks

    Chris
     
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