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Help ZXR250C - Rebuild V2

Discussion in 'Kawasaki 250cc In-line 4's' started by DanoHosko, Oct 21, 2022.

  1. DanoHosko

    DanoHosko Well-Known Member Premium Member

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    Hey all

    As some of you know, me and some mates did a top gear special style road trip from Brisbane to Phillip island. (Oldest bike was a 1983 BMW K100)
    https://www.2fiftycc.com/index.php?threads/brisbane-phillip-island.11822/

    Anyway, I suffered a mild engine failure on the return journey meant i was packed up in the ute for the return.
    A lot of banging/clackety noises, sounds like its around the crank area

    The bike has been brought back to life previously as per:

    https://www.2fiftycc.com/index.php?threads/zxr250-idle-issues-another-one.10734/

    https://www.2fiftycc.com/index.php?threads/valve-clearance-inspection.10865/

    This will be an attempt at rebuilding, better, faster, stronger...
     
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    Ok so first task, checked out the spark plugs for any tell tale signs..., any thoughts?

    Pretty certain the camera on this Sony is useless though.

    I have also discovered that since the plug caps don't have rubber bungs, grit and dust gets into the plug hole, and when i remove the plug, the grit etc might get into the cylinder :headbang:
    Anyone know where i can get plug caps with rubber bungs?

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    Next checked out the cam chain and timing, looks all good to me!

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    Next removed the sump, looks like some metal filings in there.

    Theres also remnants of cruddy old silicon gasket that the previous owner used very liberally

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    Hmmm up to the last 2 pics all looked fine... them there filings are a bit worrying. is it Aluminium or bearing material??
     
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    It looks like a little aluminium and a little copper looking material to be honest?
    I'll try and get a closer look, i think some of it is a white silicone gasket too.
    i believe the conrod bearings are brass?
     
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    LIttle end would be.. big end will be white metal on steel backing. Either way it looks like engine out and start tearing it down till you uncover the culprit... Check for available parts before you do though.
     
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    Impex and Megazip seem to have all the internal parts available for the top end, I'm confident I don't have any gearbox issues which is a silver lining!
     
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    Dumb question, presumably the only way to remove the camshafts means i gotta split the cam chain?
     
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    Sorry to hear about your dramas.

    Any metal in the sump is not good.
    As Andy mentioned, it looks like an engine out exercise.

    I am not familiar with that engine, but I wouldn't imagine that you need to split the cam chain.
    But you will need to remove the tensioner.
    On other bikes I have worked on, with the tensioner, removed there is then enough room to undo the cam caps and lift the cams out while feeding the chain over the front of the sprocket.
    Refer to your manual for full details.

    With the engine out all the work will be much easier and you will have much better confidence on its condition when you put it all back together again.

    Make sure you clean all of the oil holes/galleries out thoroughly when you put it back together again.

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    Cheers dudes!
    I did fit a new cam chain a couple years back but I cant remember how I did it now lol, too much alcohol in between...

    Couple more dumb questions:
    - if the compressions are all good, that says the pistons, rings and cylinders should be fine to keep?
    - can i remove the gearbox side of things and keep it together to get access to the crank etc?

    Like I don't really want to split the transmission as thats going to be well out of my skill level...
     
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    Not sure about that motor design, but typically these older motors have the crank and gearbox on the same plane.
    When you remove the lower portion of the crankcase it also results in splitting the gearbox.
    I have in the past been able to turn the engine upside down and then split the crankcase without removing the cylinder head or pistons (GSXR motor). I am not sure whether this will work with your motor.

    You are probably best just to pull the whole thing apart. You will probably want to inspect the pistons.

    As long as you are careful you can probably lift out the gearbox input and output shafts as complete assemblies (once you have split the cases) and just hold them all together with cable ties or tape. That way you do not have to worry about getting the gears mixed up.
     
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    Thanks for the advice man! I'll do the whole shabang and pull it apart properly i reckon, end of the day its already broke so may as well!

    Praying that the crank shaft isn't ruined!
     
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    Just looking at your #3 spark plug (3rd picture), it might just be the angle of the picture, but it looks like the the outer strap is touching the electrode. This might indicate that the piston has hit the plug and maybe the valves, or there have been foreign objects in the cylinder.

    Regarding your cam chain, how does it feel when you press up and down on it? If it feels tight then it's okay, if it has any free play or slack it probably needs a new tensioner and perhaps chain unless done already.

    It's hard to tell from the picture but all that crap in your oil pan looks like metal flakes rather than silicone, so not good. In any case the sump, strainer and oil pump will all need a good clean out.

    Now for removing the cams, line up the timing marks as per your picture and remove the tensioner, then rotate the crank forward slightly to relieve tension on the chain. From this point you can remove the camshaft cap(s) and lift one of the cams out. You'll have to maneuver it a bit to get the chain off the cam sprocket.

    I never did a full strip down on my ZXR but I did take the head and cylinders off, I can't recall if you need to do that to split the cases. In any case, your engine looks like a candidate for a full tear down. Once you have the cams out, I would be pulling the cylinder head off and inspecting the cylinders. From there you can just pull the cylinder block off and that gives you access to to check the rods by hand - up and down play or excessive side to side play = dead rod bearings.
     
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    That gap does looks pretty close to me. Can you get a feeler gauge in there? Are there any signs of piston contact on the plug?
     
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    Eagle eyes @Linkin !
    #3 definitely has moved in, in comparison to the others the gap is minimal and looks bent in a lot, and has a scuff mark.
    Closer inspection, all of them have very little marks on the outer strap...
    I suppose if the crank bearings are shot then the whole crank might have play and allow the pistons to contact the plug?

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    You should pull the head off and look at #3 cylinder

    Out of curiosity what plugs are they? Should be NGK CR9E
     
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    Yeah buddy will have it off this afternoon ;)

    NGK CR9E is what I've got yep!
     
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