Help Yamaha Zeal - hesitation below 6000rpm

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  1. boganracing

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    yes as it was doing it with the old coils was fine then slowly started getting worse thats why i changed the coils packs
     
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    I have a similar issue, I think it happens coming off the throttle (if you pull the clutch in the engine stops), when you go to accelerate it is sluggish. The plugs very clean after nearly 2000km:
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    I was told it could be the seal for jet housing, but how do I tell? Do I just increase the jets and lift the needles? Rebuild the carbies? Also, the power cuts under full throttle above 11,500rpm (power is great when you back off a bit) - this appears to be just too small of a main jet, despite everything being standard.
     
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    maybe a stupid question but did you check your airfilter ?
     
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    What about the fuel filter? Not enough flow into the carbs.
     
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    Not sure why the air filter would affect it, it runs fine otherwise. And as for the fuel filter, that would only affect it at high speed and full throttle, but it recovers immediately and seems problematic immediately, too. I'm thinking it's either jetting or the housing seals, but the fact it runs well (apart from full throttle at full revs and after braking, or accelerating hard and pull the clutch as you close the throttle - engine stalls), makes me think it could be something else. From memory, these carbies have a needle tube with the emulsion tube junction in at an angle, I'm wondering if that is loading with fuel and dumping under braking? And did up take so long to recover? It seemed to only happen once, too. He was 2-up and trying accelerate in third from low revs, then down to second and still struggled before finally clearing. He said it was bogging down, which would point to overfuelling, right?
     
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    Have you checked the fuel level's in the bowl's ?
    Does it need choke to start ?
     
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    Have had issues with my zeal regarding fuel flow. Make sure fuel lines are as short as possible and no twists or kinks in them, and that all lines are the same size.

    Also check that the carbs are synced.

    Litetek carb kits are a good investment.
     
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    Engines need FUEL, AIR, SPARK, COMPRESSION.

    If you've changed coil packs, they're in the right order and you've got good spark then that's one covered. FZR's are notorious for carb issues and the Zeal is basically an FZR so I'd be looking for blocked jets in the bowls. Clean them out, easy enough done. You might have some issues with the floats etc but I wouldn't jump to complex theories about carb syncing and that sorta jazz - in my opinion you should only need to do that when you completely rebuild your carbies.
     
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    thanks guys, finally got the problem sorted it was nothing major, turns out that is was because i was using 98 octane fuel mechanic cleaned out the whole fuel system and put in 91 and it has been going good eversince
     
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    I would be careful of using 91... most of it these days is E10 and that wont do your system much good...
    95 should be fine .... I would have thought 98 would be ok as well... it is just a higher Octane rating... but there you go.
     
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    Mm the fuel octane wont affect it. E10 might though id avoid that. Cleaning out carbies would have sorted it i think.
     
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    I run all my bike's and car's on BP 98, never had a problem with it.
    I guess all mine are tuned to suit 98 though
     
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    I run all my vehicles on 95 just to be sure of no ethanol.
     
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    yes i was always hesitant of using 91 so i always put 98 in it, but mechanic highly recommended against it, i wont use anything with ethanol in it so if that all the servo has il switch to 95
     
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    Explain that further for me

    All our FZRs run perfectly on normal 91

    Cant see why anyone would waste money using 98 (and theres plenty who do , including in my Land Cruiser world) unless the vehicle specifically requires it and is recommended.
     
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    91 leaves residue (gum, lacquer) in carburettors, especially if the vehicle is not in use for an extended time. I have (and I'm sure many others on here) have had to deal with the stinky stale 91 fuel and cleaning the carbies, both mechanically and chemically. I have done enough to tell people to use 98 in their bikes. And watch out for other companies selling high octane, United fuels had a 100 octane fuel that contained ethanol. If you ride daily, maybe it is fine. Maybe compounds vary between countries and climates, too.
     
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    Any fuel left for for an extended period is going to do that .... and if u have to clean carbys from a bike that u dont know its past, how do u know its been running 91? ... it could have been run on anything by the PO

    My FZR sits for months unused with 91 in it .... and last time I had the bowls off recently they were clean as.

    And so we all have to run 98 in our daily rides just in case it ends up parked for 6 months? ..... yea right

    And by the way .... I use BP 91 whenever possible and wouldnt bother going to some shitty servo unless I had no choice.
     
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    I alway's have run my car's, bike's and mower's on 98.
    My territory get's between 140km's - 180km's more per tank out of 98 compared to when using 95
    My FZR got 320km's out of a tank a few week's ago, how many km's are you getting from your's ?
     
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    No idea .... carbys still arnt up to scratch anyway so it would be far from being useful info even if i did run it from full to empty.

    And how many Ks did u get running 91 and 95?

    And did the performance change using the different fuels?

    Somewhere theres the recommended octane rating for the FZR in Japan, in some specs ... but cant remember where ... then it can be worked out the equivalent for here .
     
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    Dunno about the 91 and the 95, last time i used 91 was in the 80's in my Mazda RX4
     

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