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Best Australian made oil & fuel additive

Discussion in 'Yamaha 250cc In-Line 4's' started by brad1, May 23, 2006.

  1. brad1

    brad1 New Member

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    Everyone here wants something more from their bike or car. Performance, quarter mile times, top speed, fuel efficiency, cleaner environment, smoother idle etc.

    Through word of mouth I have recently come in contact with a small Aussie company who produces their own oils, fluids, greases and fuel additive. This company is producing lubrication products which ARE OUTPERFORMING MAJOR AMERICAN AND WORLDWIDE BRANDS! And the products are often cheaper than these brands.

    Why do you care? Want better fuel economy GUARANTEED? want more power GUARANTEED? Want to reduce the impact of your vehicle on the environment? Want to make your running gear last longer and save you money in the mean time? Do you want to save money on servicing by extending the service life of your oil?

    First of all it must be said that I do not work for this mob. I have been using their products for around 6 months now. First it was the fuel additive. Then the oil in my VT V6. Then, when I got the bike, a second hand 2003 ZX6R, I'm running their fuel additive and oil in the bike too. The funny thing is now that I would not run anything else- I'm saving a packet in fuel, I dont have to change the oil as often because they test it for me, and I'm enjoying the extra power that an aftermarket exhaust or other common, expensive mods would have given me. And I've saved a packet on oi and service costs- my VT has just done 20 000k's on the one oil fill- and the oil still tests up fine! In fact, they've told me that it should last at least another 10 000 k's! Thats over 30 000k's on oil which WILL STILL outperform other major brands!

    You don't have to believe me, but if you're a bit curious about how they can help you out, call them. Ask them about the dyno results PROVING their oils outperform major brands such as MOBIL 1, Valvoline etc. Yes, outperforms Mobil 1! Ask them about how much power is lost in engines to FRICTION, and how they have produced a product that actually overcomes most of this friction. Ask them why major fleet companies are using their products- including taxis, car hire, cranes and lifts, even trucking. Then ask them why everyone who tries their products find results.

    Give them a test- a small bottle of fuel additive costs $9.90 and treats 250 litres. In most cars that's 4 tanks or more of fuel In the FZR a bottle lasts 17 tanks! I bet you will see more power, or more economy, or both- depending on how you drive. Ask them to send you out information on why their products work. Also ask them how these products will make your engine and running gear last far longer than any other lubricants.

    PM Lubricants can be contacted on 07 3274 3788, 0423 555 752 or email on <!-- e --><a href="mailto:info@pmlubricants.com.au">info@pmlubricants.com.au</a><!-- e --> where they will answer any questions you have. Let them know where you found out about them, and they will know to look after you. Also let them know if you are keen on doing any sort of dyno runs soon. They love hearing about how much more power motors produce on their products!
     
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    FZR Dude New Member

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    It may not have been easier, but would have been better if you had updated this thread rather than start a new one. That way everyone can see the progression of your useage and views and the debates as well?
     
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    Holy "deja vu", batman.

    I thought the post was familiar.
     
  4. brad1

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    sorry bout that it's been a while since I've posted much in here and I forgot about that one!

    oh well as you can tell I'm still using PM and everyone who I've managed to tell about it has found massive improvements, whether its fuel economy, operating temperatures etc. So i thought I'd share but you already know!
     
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    hisdirt New Member

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    It does sound like a bit of a sales pitch... wouldnt have any vested interest in the sucess of the product would you brad?

    Having said that though... do you know if its distrubuted in NZ?
     
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    FZR Dude New Member

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    No worries Brad. Geeks like me remember stuff like that. I'd be interested "IF" I could get a supply, but we all know that aint gonna happen across the great pond...
     
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    It DOES sound like it uses friction modifiers tho.

    Have you actually tried it in your fizzer, brad? How do you change the oil filter without draining the oil?

    How do they test the oil? (ie have you got to send a sample off to them?)
     
  8. brad1

    brad1 New Member

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    Ok a couple of q's

    I do have a vested interest- I just got a free bottle of 250ml fuel additive because they know I'm telling all about it yay! Other than that no I am not paid by them. I'm just rather upset that for years I've paid good money for oil and now I've found an Aussie mob who actually seems interested in looking after my machines.

    I think there is a distributor in NZ- have a look at their website. I think there is one bloke down there, but give the head office a call- most people just get their gear posted over.

    There are no friction modifiers in the oil. I had a lengthy discussion with them when I started to use it as a bike oil, because I really thought you had to buy specific 'bike oil'. I actually asked them 'ok is it going to stuff my clutch' and they told me 3 things.

    1. They have a couple of amature bike racers using their gear, and are very happy with it.

    2. one of their most colourful customers is the ulesses bike club.

    3. They are fully insured against mechanical failiure caused by their oil, and it has never been used.

    I visited them today for a top up and had another chat, this time with Steven. I originally talked to Keith (the old bloke) and Steven hadnt heard how it was that I came to know them. I told him that I was given some of their fuel additive by a mate who was given to them by a mate...and it did the job. So I started asking questions about the rest of their products.

    I also told Steve today that I originally started telling people about it (I bought a 4 litre pack of fuel additive and gave it away tank by tank to about 40 people just to see how many people thought it worked!) because this was the first line of products that I could actually feel a real difference- not just got rid of a few rattles, but actually gave the feel of more power and I could actually see fuel lasting longer. They were also the first mob, even out of all the bike and car mobs I've been to, who actually seemed to give a toss whether their product was working.


    So look, in reality there are a lot of different products out there just waiting to pull your wallet from your pocket. But this was the first that I felt like they wanted me to be impressed with their effort. So I hoped that I could throw the karma back their way.
     
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    brad1 New Member

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    Oh yeah, the problem with the fizzers is that unfortunately you change the filter- the oil goes with it. That my friends is the bad news.

    But at least they monitor it for you and tell you if the oil will safely do 12 000k's. They reccommend you change the filter at the manufacturers specified intervals, (but just quietly I've gotten lazy with age!)
     
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    So no-one has given PM a go? Thats a pity. I was just hoping one person would try it and let everyone know what its like..

    I'm so confident- I'll go someone halves in the cost of a bottle of oil. I'll even get PM to throw in a 250ml fuel additive. (i'll just ask really nicely- they usually are good) you pay for half the oil and full postage (i'll only ask for the postage no handling or anything)

    I'm just trying to support this aussie mob who has done the right thing by me.
     
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    Any word on New Zealand Dealers? or would you like to go halves and post it over?
     
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    brad1 New Member

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    Maungatapere Transport
    PO Box 7
    Maungatapere
    Whangarei NZ
    Tel: 09 434 6632

    for the NZ dealer

    first in gets the deal email me <!-- e --><a href="mailto:bradcad1@hotmail.com">bradcad1@hotmail.com</a><!-- e -->

    All I want is for you to post your findings....
     
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    Katatonic New Member

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    I'm ordering some including the fuel additive.

    Will order next Monday.

    I'll let you know how it goes but I'm not due for an oil change.
     
  14. brad1

    brad1 New Member

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    rightio fellas his dirt got in. he's looking at an oil change in the next month (by the sounds of it) and he's promised to let us know how he goes..

    by the way i would really like to hear more stories if anyone else gives it a go in the mean time- everyone else has been very positive.

    Cheers!
     
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    Okay here's some nice info.

    The oil is incredibly good. I'm buying the whole package which includes fuel additives, the oil itself and an oil test kit. The oil can last up to 20,000km.

    He sent me a few emails with this information about the oil. I asked him specific questions and got specfic answers. These guys know their stuff and aren't messing around. Their integrity I can say is of high level.


    "How can PM claim to have oils that will last 3 to 10 times the distance of other oils?
    As you would have read on the web site.
    Our basic philosophy is to increase the film strength or load carrying ability of the oil thus reducing friction. If you reduce the friction then you will also reduce friction-generated temperature and friction generated wear. If the temperature and wear factors are reduced the oil will last longer.
    Interestingly these things actually work in a compounding cycle the hotter the oil the less protection the less protection the more wear the more wear the higher the temperature and on it goes. "


    There's also a PDF file format (I don't have a host to put it up) so yea. Explains how they tested the oil and gear box oil against Mobil 1 and absolutely blitzed it in every test. Including how many particles of aluminium, tin etc from the moving parts instead the engine were ruduced etc.

    So this seems like a really great genuwine product.
     
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    And how can I resist ... I'll take some oil as well.

    Having read up on it, I believe that its just what I have been looking for in the old chip fryer...Imagine the deep fried chips no longer sticking together...Wowow...

    So put aside 2l for me...
     
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    Lets try and keep this thread on track.
    Any more deviations like the ones that have been removed will not be treated pleasantly.
     
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    brad1 New Member

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    Just incase anyones interested, extract from PM Lubricant's newsletter.

    When Gary Brabham’s Indy car thundered
    around the Surfers Paradise circuit he was
    not just trying to win a race, he was also
    conducting an experiment to prove a point for PM
    Lubricants.
    For the experiment, two cars from the Dick
    Simon Racing stable were compared.
    Brabham’s PM-sponsored car, number 90,
    used PM 404 Racing 50 motor oil and PM 108
    Multigearlife 80W90 in the transaxle.
    The other car, number 18, which was driven
    by then-rookie Jimmy Vasser, used the same
    Chevrolet V8 engine and Lola/Ford transaxle
    combination, but it was lubricated by Mobil 1
    15W50 synthetic motor oil and Mobil 75W90
    synthetic gear lubricant.
    Given the comparative resources of the tiny
    Australian-owned PM Lubricants and the giant
    multi-billion-dollar multinational Mobil, a layman
    may have expected that the much-advertised
    Mobil 1 would win the day.
    Wrong!
    The result, as shown by both temperature
    sensors on the vehicles and laboratory analysis of
    oil samples after the race, showed that in every
    category the PM Lubricants products
    outperformed the Mobil products by an enormous
    margin.
    When he was shown the results, former Indy
    champion driver and now Dick Simon Racing
    Indy team owner Dick Simon said that he would
    not hesitate to endorse PM Lubricants products.
    Heat sensors on the Indy cars showed that the
    transaxle in Vasser’s Mobil-lubricated car reached
    a peak temperature of 143 degrees centigrade
    during the race.
    The sensors in Brabham’s PM-lubricated car
    showed that the transaxle reached a peak
    temperature of 121 degrees centigrade. That was a
    difference of 22 degrees centigrade (or 15.38%)
    in favour of PM 108 Multigearlife 80W90 on
    temperature alone.
    The laboratory analyses of the engine and
    transaxle oils showed an even greater difference
    in favour of the PM Lubricants products.
    As engines and transmissions operate they
    shed micro pieces of metal as they wear. The
    better the lubricant, the less metal is shed. This
    means less wear, more power, better fuel
    economy and longer engine/transmission life.
    The metal particulate contamination of the oil
    after the race was (in parts per million):
    aluminium chrome copper iron lead tin
    engines
    Vasser/Mobil 37 3 50 47 42 5
    PM/Brabham 21 2 21 27 26 3
    transaxles
    Vasser/Mobil 15 3 4 170 3 1
    PM/Brabham 11 3 2 135 1 1[/img]
     
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    Hey Brad, I recieved the additive and oil from the NZ contact and put some straight into the tank...

    Great stuff! It definately gets the thumbs up from me, while admittedly my bike was having carb problems its really polarised the problem.

    Actually this morning (day 2 of riding with the additive) it was running the best it ever had, effortless accelleration through traffic like it never has before. Im hoping that its going to continue to get better and hopefully iron out the previous reving issues. Its claims that its more of a cleaner than an octane boost or anything, and so far so true...

    Thanks again brad, you were looking for affirmation on how the good the stuff is and so far you have mine. I'll keep you posted though, Ive only been using for two days (three rides) so if you hear nothing more its probably cause the stuff spontaniously detonated and Im painted on the moon...
     
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    Ok, I finally have had my bike serviced with the PM oil....

    ... and to tell the truth, I cant tell much difference! I've had the spark plugs changed aswell (cheers again brad) but the bike doesnt really feel much different than it was before.

    Admittedly Im still pushing the limits of the bike as I only really get to commute on it - not much chance to really plaster it through the gears and really feel any changes. And from what Ive read, the benefits of using the oil is more about the long run so Im not sure what I was expecting...

    Have to say though, Im really impressed with the PM fuel additive I got. Ive been using it for a few months and the stuff is great. She starts as soon as I press start regardless of how cold it is and purrs real smoothly. Not bad for a 80k + bike in pretty average condition!
     

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