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hard starting fzr250

Discussion in 'Yamaha 250cc In-Line 4's' started by johnnyangel, Oct 9, 2011.

  1. brad1

    brad1 New Member

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    Look for me on facebook- Brad Priddle. The garagedays are usually announced on there as well as another forum. I used to post it on here, but tend to forget as there arent many people close enough to take advantage, and I've only had one bloke from here turn up.

    But that's the idea. Some days there is so much on we're workin solid from 8am till dusk, but somedays are a couple of bike washes and a drinking session. Learn, help, maintain, and have fun doing it.
     
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    well the exup bushes are in still sounds rattly tho but that is while i am trying to start, bike still very hard to start pulled the plugs out and all four were black i,m thinking this may be a problem, headlights are on and fan is wired to run as soon as ignition is turned on could this drain too much from starting? i believe being an import the headlights had to be hardwired, i did get it started after cleaning the plugs but it wouldn't rev, stuck my finger inside exhaust pipe and came out black and sooty, so am i looking at float levels and mixture screws or both, can't get it running to do a float level check while motor is running, and what is the best way to set the float levels, this is really starting to frustrate me now
     
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    I remember a while ago seeing a how to for float levels, including making up a jig to sit the carbs on the appropriate level.

    Sounds as though if needle and seat are not overly worn, everything is clean, then yes resetting float height and mixture screws are going to be the next step. It sounds like everything else was ok once upon a time- spark & compression, so it really should come down to getting that fuel ration correct.
     
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    update!! still not starting after a complete carby clean, new bushes in exup valve, plugs taken out one by one and cleaned (new plugs were black from trying to start, too rich) now backfiring thru No 4 carb while trying to start, I'm asking myself, why ???, what have i done?, haven't touched any electrics
     
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    Simple things first. Make sure less are on the correct plug. Easy to get wrong. Go through everything slowly checking along the way. Something is odd......

    Don't be afraid to go to a mechanic if you just can't get it right. Mick's bike and car tyres will look after you if need be
     
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    Yeh m8, checked the firing order all ok, one of the main reasons i did the plugs one by one just so i don't mix up leads, really strange tho i took it for a run last week after i put the bushes in after i got it started ran fine , its got to be the carbs! might post another vid maybe someone can pick something else up, Why 4 carbs???? two would have been better
     
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    Yeah sorry mate you've got me at a bit of a loss here....
     
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    Yeah sorry mate you've got me at a bit of a loss here....
     
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    ok just pulled the carbs again slightly adjusted the float levels, new fuel lines from tank to filter to pump to carbs, cleaned and set the plugs,checked the firing order,reassembled it all choke works throttle works (well they move anyway) now when it starts just wants to rev out, hopefully his time it will keep running and only a minor tune up and synchronizing of carbs
    tomorrow go for a ride and see what happens, sounding better but won't know til i take it on the road
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    no good just took the bike for a run flooding badly fuel running from overflow between 3 & 4 carbs started of well though lol, spent too much time on these carbs will look around for another set i think, it seems to me yamaha owners don't have much of a social life they're too busy fixing their bikes weekend after weekend
     
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    Sounds like a bit rubbish stuck in those float valves causing the overflow. Pull the float bowls off 3 and 4 and gently push the floats up to see if they stop the fuel flow, get someone to turn on the ignition so the fuel pump starts so you have some pressure. Don't smoke while doing this.
     
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    actually dave am thinking about the O-rings can't get any today but tomorrow i'll put a new set in and see if that helps it's the only other thing, the ones i did have weren't flat O-rings so i'm thinking thats the problem, was running well til it started to flood and petrol started to run from the overflow tube, if things don't come right soon it won't be me smoking it'll be the bike lol
     
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    well things are looking more promising now, the carbies definitely did need a clean and after adjusting float levels-still flooding so one little thing i overlooked (well 4 things actually) i didn't replace the o-rings on the seats (needle &seats) which i have now done, have been for a couple short rides not too far from home (in case i have to push it back ) and i had no troubles, no flooding no fuel running from overflow tubes, Now, how the hell do you get the airbox to go on properly? In my mind i am trying to think of some way to put two pod filters on but making up the tubes is going to be a problem, i'm even thinking about 4 seperate pod filters but not sure if they make the size, i'll have to take carbs to store and see if they have a size to suit
    anyway things are looking more promising, tune and balance the carbs and fingers crossed no more problems for a while
    thanx for your help guys
     
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    Very glad to see you are on the right track there. Try to avoid individual pod filters- I cant remember what the trick was for getting the airbox back on, but I do remember there was a post a loooooong time ago
     
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    Nope not yet another fail still flooding, could the pump go wrong and pump too much fuel i wonder, as of yet haven't tried to run the bike without the petrol pump maybe i should try that, was about 5k from home when i noticed it was flooding so a slow trip home with the fuel tap off then on then off again just so i could ride it home, frustrating
     
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    No the pump should pressurise to something pretty low filling the bowls raising the float which cuts off flow into the bowl.
     

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