How to free up a stuck motor on a CBR250RR

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  1. kiffsta

    kiffsta Senior Member

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    Hey All,

    Well I had my newly acquired CBR250RR MC22 delivered to @Phil today, its a 1993 model and its been in storage for a few years , Phil initially hooked a battery up and there was no lights, disco is dead on this one.

    He found the main fuse was missing and fitted a replacement and the all lights on the dash came on, he confirmed the oil was fresh and there was the correct amount in there. When he hit the starter, I could hear the starter solenoid click so it lead me to believe maybe the solenoid was the culprit. Phil then removed the starter motor lead from the solenoid and tried pushing 12v directly to the starter motor and it just cracked and popped.

    We have 2 options in my mind, either the engine is locked or we have a dodgy starter motor. Phil is going to remove the starter motor and test that tomorrow, but I was interested in finding out what process you would use to free a stuck motor.

    For me, I have always been told, 2 tables spoons of oil down each cylinder, leave for 24-48 hours then try the starter, if that doesn't work, remove the engine side cover and use a socket with a long shaft on the crankshaft bolt to manually rotate the engine and free it up.

    Any ideas would be appreciated, although Im hoping its just a starter motor

    Cheers

    Chris

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  2. maelstrom

    maelstrom LiteTek Staff Member Premium Member 250cc Vendor Contributing Member

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    What I want to know is what did Kiffsta pay for this one? Now knowing that he pays $500 for gems, I'm guessing the owner paid him $150 to take it away :p
     
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    simidau Well-Known Member

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    Looks prime to become a race bike :)
     
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    kiffsta Senior Member

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    Haha, i stepped up and paid $345 aud for this little gem delivered to Phils place

    Bargain
     
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    GreyImport Administrator Staff Member The Chief Contributing Member

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    Yup .... Taxi#2 ..... Phils looking for leathers as we speak

    Team Taxi :dance2:
     
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    simidau Well-Known Member

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    WHAT A STEAL!!!!!
     
  7. risky

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    some diesel down each plug hole and leave a few days. then with plugs out give a gentle turn.
     
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    Murdo The Good Doctor Staff Member Contributing Member Ride and Events Crew

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    As above, but I have used boiling olive oil down the plug holes (the oil is very thin when hot and the heat helps to expand things, also do some chips first, ha) and leave to cool. Then to get the initial movement put into 4th or 5th gear and gently rock back and forth using the slack in the chain and gear back lash to give a gentle 'knock' to the crank to get that first bit of movement. Another way I have used is a large socket on the crank nut and 'wobble' the bar to get some movement (sometimes only succeeds in loosening the nut, but that could be useful too).
     
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    Grasshopper Well-Known Member Dirty Wheel Club

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    Risky, we know you love diesel, but olive oil is a lot healthier :lolsign:
     
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    risky risky

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    might make you more regular.lol
     
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  11. Fox McScrooge

    Fox McScrooge Well-Known Member Premium Member Contributing Member

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    If it's rust that is your problem a lot of the old timers use Molasses to dissolve the rust. It's not a fast process but it will remove the rust and not effect the fresh metal. It's a great way to soak parts to remove rust. Normally water it down 1:5 or something. Stinks when it starts to ferment.
     
  12. Murdo

    Murdo The Good Doctor Staff Member Contributing Member Ride and Events Crew

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    Would definatley NOT be putting molasses down the plug hole. Would require an engine strip to get all the sugar out.
    Molasses is a good way to do inside tanks also, just needs a few weeks to do its job.
     
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    Fox McScrooge Well-Known Member Premium Member Contributing Member

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    If it's seized up you'd be mad not to strip it anyway Murdo. It's a good way to get engines apart without causing any more damage than what is already there.
     
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    Murdo The Good Doctor Staff Member Contributing Member Ride and Events Crew

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    Very true Fox. I don't know how far Kiffsta want to go with it.
     
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    I spray some WD-40 inside to help things stay loose. I wouldn't put anything except engine oil, petrol or something that will dissolve or burn up into the cylinder. If it's damaged, it's not gonna be fixed by pouring stuff in there. Like Fox said, rip it apart if need be.
     
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    Murdo The Good Doctor Staff Member Contributing Member Ride and Events Crew

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    True, but we don't know wether it is 'weather seized' or mechanically locked. Will await more info from Kiffsta.
     
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    well, the word from Phil is that engine is stuck pretty hard, he is pulling the engine out tomorrow and will whip the head off. He left oil in each pot overnight then removed the engine side cover and cranked with a breaker bar, no movement at all. He removed the exhaust as it was full of water, so I guess now its a parts bike. We have bought so many non runners where its been a 50c fuse or a clean of the carbies and they run, I had to buy a lemon at some point :) at least I didn't pay alot for it.

    On a positive note, anyone need MC22 parts, I have plenty :thumb_ups:
     
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    Tim_ resident nutcase Contributing Member Dirty Wheel Club

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    Hahahahaha interesting. Track bike build.
     
  20. thebeefsalad

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    Willing to ship to the US?

    Items I'd consider: head, radiator, harness/ECU, that "useless" rubber bit that the plug wires thread through..
     

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