I'd be pretty happy if the K64A tried to copy the nsf250 =). Single that's super light and looks the part ^_^. I mean RR "race replica" what's it meant to be a replica off?
Now there's a point. Strip away the plastic and paint. NSF250 CBR250R What I find interesting is the race bike uses such a tiny rear tyre and yet the swingarm is massive compared to the road bike. In any case the factories aim to sell boatloads of these little bikes in the developing markets. It will be interesting to see how far the oneupmanship takes them, since the R3 is already 320cc.
I am resurrecting an MC22, some things about its previous ownership make me cry, and its better than most. waited decades in the hope that the hype died down, I'm expecting wheelies in neutral.
nsf250r is not a 40k bike. Its like 22k. Source: http://www.bikepoint.com.au/content/news/2011/honda-nsf250r-22990-25668
Just curious do you think the R3 would beat the MC22 in outright acceleration, was thinking of buying an R3 in the distant future
I think it would depend on the mc22. If both bikes where completely stock and it was a good example of the mc22 I think the mc22 would have it over the R3. From what I have seen, the R3 0-100's take about 6 seconds. Where as you see mc22 get around 5 seconds 0-100 stock. That being said though you could probably squeeze allot more power out of the R3.
In a straight line the MC22 would be a tad faster (its got more power) best R3 has been 14.15 Best MC22 ive found locally (WA) ran 13.862 , so the MC22 has more but were talking 3 hp. a decent rider vs a noob and all that goes out the window. We don't buy 250's for power. Its crisp power , pulls from midrange and handles nice and firm (Stock tyres aside) Visordown claim 4.5 secs for the R3, most are 5 secs or under, I was unaware it was 6 seconds as Damas says. http://www.visordown.com/reviews/mo...yzf-r3-2015---present/specification/6613.html You can bet Honda will go one better again... coz Lams need the fastest bike on paper right?
I think picking a lams bike for drag racing speed is a bit silly lol. Honestly I am really partial to the ninja 300, misses got to use one instead of her zxr250 and her lap times improved by 3 seconds instantly. Would love to see an r3 race a ninja 300 on the track.
Well it's obvious many imported bikes were meant for Japanese markets exclusively. But the MC22 was Australian delivered as well so it can't be completely for that reason. Nonetheless, current 250cc (or there abouts) learner bikes are not really performance machines. I don't really see any similarities between an NSF250 and a CBR250R (Just like how the MC22 isn't really a performance built machine when it stacks up to a race-bred bike from that era such as the NSR). Nonetheless, I think the big thing people want from manufacturers is an ACTUAL super sport style of bike that is small displacement. The problem is there is no such thing as a twin cylinder super sport. Another thing is the riding position of the CBR250R is more like a naked bike rather than a sport/super sport. Also that concept bike tells us one thing: The production model won't look like that once the compliance department of Honda is finished with it!
Hopefully it's still close to the production model, looks amazing. I think they really are trying to steer away from the MC41 bland look http://www.visordown.com/motorcycle-news-new-bikes/revealed-hondas-250cc-supersport/28229.html
Just to pour some fuel on the fire It is my understanding that the MC22 was only brought to Australia after the local dealers realised how popular the grey import was. 45hp for a 250cc four stroke is most certainly a performance bike. That is 180bhp per litre. Yes, it cannot compare with the 60hp that can be had from the 250 two strokes (240bhp per litre), but what can? The only way a four stroke can go head to head with a two stroke of the same displacement is if the four stroke is supercharged or turbocharged. Which is blatantly obvious since the stroker is firing every stroke. 500 GP used to allow supercharging and it is a terrible shame that it wasn't permitted to race against the 2 strokes. There are, to the best of my knowledge, only three in line four cylinder road bikes ever made that had gear driven cams, the Honda CBR250RR, CBR400RR and the MV Agusta. Such an engineering marvel is totally wasted on learners and people who have no appreciation of engineering. If someone had have told me in the early '70s that Honda would make a 4 cylinder, water cooled, 250cc engine with gear driven cams I would have said "no that era of GP machinery has gone and will not be seen again". Riders used to want bikes that were like GP machinery. Now they want batman bikes, all angular lines with pieces of plastic stuck over them, so that is what the factories produce. Perfect example, Yamaha MT07. I can't think of any way to make a more hideous looking thing than that. What is it supposed to be exactly? A moto thingy? A streetfighter? Maybe they could put some skulls and batman stickers on it. @Aufitt is dead right about the cost of making a modern 4 cylinder but if fashion dictated sports bikes then Honda could easily make a 250 V-Twin modelled after their V4 MotoGP bike, but it is still going to be quite a lot more expensive than the current crop. My next bike will be a CBR400RR NC23. Here it is in all of its naked glory. Now it is 80cc more than an R3 Yamaha, which just so happens to be the same amount that the R3 is greater than an MC22. You want to compare those two? It is not fuel injected but put Keihin FCRs on it and it is good for about 70hp. Here is an R3 without its clothes on.
Think the RVF400 and its counter part the VFR400 are both also gear driven timing. But yeah Cbr400rr would be cool to own also. I'd love to own any of those bikes.
Are the cbr600rr's not gear driven timing? I always just guessed they would be? If they are not that is MAJOR disappointment, if they didnt have gear driven timing I might not upgrade to one.