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Discussion in 'Yamaha 250cc In-Line 4's' started by f_alik, May 9, 2008.

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    f_alik New Member

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    hi !! well i have a coolant overflow prb from the water reservoir with my 1992 FZR250, but it only happens on high rpm, on low rpm everything is fi9, there are certain checks which i`ve already made like, opened the radiator cap and started the engine and rev up but no air bubbles were seen from the radiator, when i increased the rpm ( with the radiator cap open ) the water level in the radiator went a bit down and when the rpm were normal then a slight overflow was noticed( guess this is due to the expansion of water due to heat and the mass flow on high revs ), i also checked the water reservoir hole for the pressure release, but it is clear too, but still having the overflow prb, radiator cap seems quite fine ( the seating area ), bike is a bit heating up, fan is gud too and radiator has been serviced too, the only thing that is bothering me is this that y this is happening on only high rpm ?? i mean wither u run the bike 50 km on low rpm this prb won`t happen but if u run it for 5 km on high rpm then there u go with the overflow from water reservoir ?? i removed the cap of water reservoir and put a plastic arround the mouth still did`nt solve the prb ?? so is there anyone who can help ??
     
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    You are indeed correct that after you give the bike a hard run the cooling system has to cope with increased heat load, which means the water in the cooling system expands and should flow out of the radiator overflow and into the overflow bottle.
    The only time you'll get coolant leaking onto the ground is if you run the bike hard, then stop and park the bike. Chances are the water in the overflow bottle is then spilling from it's overflow hose instead of being drawn back into the radiator as the system cools down.

    Next time you get coolant spilling on the ground, take a look at the coolant level behind the right rear fairing (duck tail). If the level is within 'normal' range which is marked on the bottle then i'll have to get back to brainstorming another solution.

    One thing that immediately comes to mind is that if the radiator cap is releasing too early then it's allowing more thermal expansion than there should be in the coolant. For the cost of a radiator cap it might be worth putting that on the list of possible solutions.
     
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    I will go along with that too. Also check that the overflow bottle is not over full when cold as it is there to allow for water expansion in the cooling system when hot.
     
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    thx @dave and @koma
    the water level in the reservoir goes below the FULL MARK, it`s almost empty after the overflow. as it continues overflowing, one think that came in my mind that as the radiator cap is a non-return v/v with some spring tension holding it on to the seating area, so is`nt there any chance that it is malfunctioning ?? and one more thing i dun have to add water in the radiator even after the spill, lets say only 10-15 ml is to b added when there is overflowing from the reservoir, but the expansion bottle is fully emptied. well one more thing is`nt there any head pressure invloves in the water reservoir ?? i m sure during the design that point must have been considered, so either my bike is creating some xtra pressure in the water body or is there something wrong with the head pressure in the reservoir ?? but again this only happens on high revs <!-- s:( --><img src="{SMILIES_PATH}/icon_sad.gif" alt=":(" title="Sad" /><!-- s:( --> plz suggest some solution for this prb ?? i m looking forward for ur help. thx.
     
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    one more prb !! when bike is cold started then it take a very very long self :s
     
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    My first thought is that the radiator cap is faulty. Replace it.

    My second thought is that you have a blown head gasket. Try option one first...
     
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    thx @dave well one more question regarding overflow !! is that necessary that the mouth of the water reservoir should b air tight ??? not talking abt the hole for the pressure relief !!! the hole is well cleared, but i have wrapped a plastic arround the opening of the reservoir, so is that suppose to b air tight ? if is it so then i guess i have had solved the prb with the overfloww.
     
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    If you are talking about item 25, yes it should be watertight (this is a 2KR overflow bottle)
    pic [​IMG]
     
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    ya the same item # 25, i was using a plastic piece arround the mouth, now have fitted back a rubber cork( taking care not to block the hole ) now i`ll go for a ride tommarow then will tell u guys that wat happened. Dave i took the bike to max. revs in the 1st and 2nd gear with the radiator cap open and water level a bit lower from the cap but can b seen from the top but still could`nt notice a single overflow from the radiator, so i think its not the gasket or the head ceack i should b worry abt, the prb lies somewhere in the thermostat or something else, by the way Dave can u post a link of pdf format for thermostat, i do have that japnese version but its not so much gud to understand from there !! so can u plz post a link ?? thx.
     
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    Here is the thermostat, which you will find behind the radiator on the right hand side.

    28 themostat
    29 themostat housing
    30 themostat housing top
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    @dave
    thx man !! well dave it seems like i have got the prb it was the cap of that bottle, the rubber cork is working fi9, well now i have one more question, Dave where i live in ( Pakistan ) the ambient temperature during this seasons does`nt go below 30-32 at night, so i was thinking wat if i remove the thermostat and blank the pass line and make it direct ?? though thats gonna effect the performance for a little while unless the engine got a bit heat up, but it`ll take care of the temp for sure !! any suggestions ??
     
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    If you are having problems with overheating because of the air temperatures then remove the thermostat but leave every thing else as original. This should be ok PROVIDED the engine gets up to a reasonable indication on the temp gauge. If the engine runs too cold it will cause premature wear and reduce the life of the engine.
     
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    hmmm.. well frictional resistance could cause a major prb while the engine running cold, so i guess i have to drop the idea of removing the thermostat, well here is another question, this time its the temperature gauge, well at the time when i turned the igntion on then it moves a bitt up lets say 3-4 mm and while riding the bike, the needle moves only 2-3 mm more, but touching the radiator cap clearly indicates that the water temp is approx. 80+ so the needle must have to b somewhere in the mod section of the gauge, i checked for the ground connection on the thermostat body and while i touched it to the engine body the needle moves to the top, so this means nothing wrong with the gauge or the earthing connection, so any suggestions ? and Dave plz can u explain DIY in a little easy way, and if can b explain through a pic then it`ll b quite helpful. thx.
     
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    Try these two posts for help with temperature gauge problems
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    H:\DCIM\100MSDCF\DSC00052.JPG
    how to upload the pic ?? well i have taken a few shots of the thermostat unit, if u can explain something from the pic ?? wat should i check ??
     
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    @dave can i have ur email add, i want to send u some pics and offcoz a bunch of questions that i have to ask regarding the pics. thx
     
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    Ok you need to upload the picture to a website such as your web page that you ISP provides or create an account at <!-- m --><a class="postlink" href="http://photobucket.com">http://photobucket.com</a><!-- m --> and upload your photos to that site. Then you can then link the photo in that site to here.

    something like this
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    @dave i have put a red circle arround in pic 50 and 52 !! can u tell me wat are those things for ? and where is the ground connection for the temp gauge u were talking abt ?
     
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    It's a bit hard to tell but in pic 52 it looks like the switch for the radiator fan.

    The other one circled maybe a drain plug?? Perhaps one of the other members can help with this. I sold my bike over 18 months ago so I can't go and have a look.

    Same goes for the earth connection... <!-- s:???: --><img src="{SMILIES_PATH}/icon_confused.gif" alt=":???:" title="Confused" /><!-- s:???: --> Sorry.
     
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    hmm thx anyway, i`ll try to open that out, lets c.
     

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