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Project A work in progress my FZR 250 2kr

Discussion in 'Your 250cc Projects' started by downunderfzr, Feb 10, 2017.

  1. downunderfzr

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    No unfortunately i don't have access a leak down tester.

    The smoke does reduce once its been running for a few minutes.

    The difficulty starting when cold without a squirt of fuel - could that be compression related?
     
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    Has it actually been out for a decent run under load?
     
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    No it hasn't been for a decent run only around the block (unlicensed).
    Yesterday I thought about it but I ran out of time.
     
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    This may sound silly, but put a cup (250ml) of Diesel fuel in half a tank of fuel and give it a hard run for at least an hour or 100Km. The Diesel will remove any 'gum' that is causing the rings to stick in the ring grooves, and may help with your low compression.
     
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    All tips appreciated.

    Just letting it run out the back & noticed it doesn't want to rev past 10500 rpm then a fair amount of smoke!
     
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    @Murdo that's a handy tip. Umm... can we start a sticky called "Murdo's Wisdom"? @GreyImport I reckon things like this should be put somewhere (I'm serious, not poking fun :) )

    Cold start it sort of depends mate. How does it run with the choke on - does it start easier? Mine had similar issues to yours but a clean out of the pilot screws under the carbies and a Litetek kit from @maelstrom and she was ok again. Record how many turns "out" the screws were then unscrew them, check the holes for blockage... clear them out. put them back in and turn 1/4 to 1/2 a turn out more than they were on each one... see how you go. You can do all this stuff individually by "ear" and it's a bit more complex but I think an agricultural approach can at least appease the main issue.
     
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    Its called tech tips
     
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    Tech info i think would have been better.

    Choke on doesn't improve cold starting only a squirt of fuel into the carbs. I did give each carb a quick clean out with compressed air but i will give the pilot screws a clean.
     
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    Get some good oil into it, a lot of us here use Caltex Delo 400 15W40. It's a good quality oil with high shear strength (good for the gearbox), suitable for wet clutches and has lots of detergents. They use it in road trains/b doubles and fleets. It's safe for petrol and diesel motors.

    Murdo's tricks are always good :thumb_ups: I like to put one of the small bottles of carby/injector cleaner from supercheap into a full tank of fuel.

    Do these things and take it for an italian tuneup, meaning warm it up and thrash it... should burn off all the carbon & help clear out the carbs of gunk. Just make sure you check stuff like tyres, brakes, coolant & oil first.
     
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    How long has bike been sitting before you started it?
    Would suggest that a complete carb strip and clean making sure ALL passages are spotless and a Litetek seal kit would go a long way to solving your problems.
     
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    I reckon it's been tuned when it wasn't fully warmed up.
    Once it's started and if you put the choke on what does it do?
    If the rev's sit for a little then come up to 2000 or more, the mixture screw's might be close.
    If it die's, then the mixture screw's haven't been adjusted correctly.
    If taking the mixture screw's out then make sure you remove the spring washer and o ring from each gallery, hard/dry o'ring's wont help the tuning.
    From memory the hole at the bottom of the thread's/gallery where the mixture/fuel screw goes in is either .13mm or possibly .3mm
    You can get a micro drill set from someone like Jaycar and see which drill bit fit's, smallest is .3mm, i had to use a single strand of wire from a wire brush to open up mine to start with (.13mm)

    @Joker had a good picture of the tiny hole in the bottom of the thread's once it's clean

    When i first got my FZR it wouldn't start with the choke, you had to give it some throttle and hope it'd start before the battery would run out of kick.
    After rebuilding the carby's with Keyster kit's (rebuild kit for carby 1 or 4, rebuild kit for carby 2 or 3) and setting the mixture screw's to 3 turn's out it won't start without the choke now (after tuning)
    When i rebuilt the carby's, sync'd and tuned them i used a non contact temp gun to get a temp reading off the top of the header pipe's, and a home made manometer to get thing's all balanced and running right

    There's some pic's in my FZR250 project thread
     
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    I'm just about to buy the litetek kit do I need just service kit A or the the B as well ?
     
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    It depends on how far you want to go pulling the carbs apart. Personally I ordered all of it when I did my 3LN carbs, along with the keyster kits.
     
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    Kit B is for when you split the carbys into individual ones isnt it?
    The extra seals (Kit B) go between each carby for float bowl vents and on the throttle shafts etc

    I never split my carbys, and mine had done 53,000km's when i fitted the Keyster kits
     
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    If you are going to do it, why would you not do the whole job?
    Get both kits and use a bit of lube when you fit the seals.
     
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    Just realised those Keyster kits i linked above are for the 3LN3 not the 2KR.

    My bike budget didn't have enough money left for the Litetek seal kits, i just used all the new oring's and seals from the Keyster kits when i rebuilt mine
    As it was the 4x Keyster kits cost me 20% of the original purchase price of my bike

    Going the whole hog on the carby's could get expensive, buy the time you add it all up, new Litetek kit's A and B, new Keyster kit's x4, new slide's, new diaphram's etc etc
     
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    So the carbs have been all cleaned with a full set of litetek seals, adjusted float levels & its running a little better but still not right.

    Symptoms : Won’t start when cold without a squirt of fuel into each carb, seems to run ok until I hit around 11000 rpm (can get it to rev higher with some choke).

    What I have done so far: the valves now in spec, the compression test 95-100 psi on ea cylinder, idle jets are each set at 3- 3.5 turns out



    To me it still seems like a fuel issue but not sure what to try next?
     
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    Did you bench sync the carbs? Cleaned out the jets with threebond?
     

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