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Across Starting and Fuel Leak problems

Discussion in 'Suzuki 250cc In-line 4's' started by Benriches, Mar 20, 2014.

  1. Benriches

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    Hi everyone
    I'm new to motorbikes and I picked up a 97 across (42000 ks) a few weeks ago to get my license.

    I've ridden this bike about 400 ks total with no problem at all

    When I got the bike the guy who sold it to me told me it came freshly survived and had some other work done. Chain, sprocket stuff like that.

    This morning it was a little rough to start but rode fine to the petrol station where I filled up.

    About 1 k after the petrol station it lost power and pulled over. It wouldn't start again for about 20 min. When it did start it was only when choke was on all the way and only for about 10- 15 seconds and blew a lot of white smoke.

    I've towed it home and found that the oil was really black and have just changed that, the filter and the spark plugs. As well as done the across carby adjustment.

    Same thing as before. Starts on choke then dies out and blows smoke.

    However now (or I am noticing now) fuel is leaking from the bottom of the bike where your left foot would be.

    What's my next step to getting this working again?

    Thanks
    Ben
     
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    Hey Ben

    Did you get a batch of bad fuel ? white smoke can mean a blown head gasket, valve stem seals are shot, waterpump seal gone... could just be a bad batch of fuel.

    how was the temp after filling up ?
    when you changed the oil was it all black, or was there coolant in there ?
    When you say carby adjustment, what did you do ?

    Chris
     
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    And trace the fuel leak before trying to start it again.
     
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    Oil was all black. Didn't look like water was in there. I can check the coolant to see if any oil is in there tomorrow.

    I don't think it was hot. It had only been ridden for about 5 minutes before pulling over.

    It normally sits around a 1/4 or less on the temp gauge when on the high way and goes up to half in traffic but I've not seen it higher.

    How would I check the valve stems?

    The across / bandit engine runs very rich with the default setting. Loads of people recommend adjusting the pins from level 3 to level 1 for a very decent increase in efficiency.
     
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    You can check the valve stem seals by doing a leak down test , but from what you have said the bike ran fine before you fuelled up, maybe drain the tank and try some fresh fuel first ? Could be as simple as a dodgy batch of fuel ?


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    i concurr if there is no water in the oil the water had to get through the system some how to turn to white smoke. Did it rain prior to filling up? Water may have gotten into the servos tanks.
     
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    Could be an internal head gasket leak into the cylinder. Sounds like that to me I'm afraid. I can't imagine the servo fuel would be that contaminated by water.
     
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    Here is where the fuel leak is coming from also. Is this the overflow or ...

    Also thanks so much for all the help



    fuel.jpg
     
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    Have drained all the fuel Put in fresh fuel : now have the bike idoling ( have not tried to ride it yet)

    Still blowing white / grey smoke but getting much thinner than before
     
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    Fuel shouldnt be coming from anywhere like that .... u should get the degreaser on there and clean off all the crap and fluids so if there is a leak u can see where its coming from and going to.

    Riding with fuel running down the motor is not a good idea.
     
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    Bike appears to be running fine. Just that fuel leak now

    Any ideas ? Could it be the carby pins sticking?

    Just adjusted them back to factory and it's still leaving a lot
     
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    image.jpg This is the mystery fuel leak. Or should I say gush. Taking the cover off now to see what we find
     
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    Have taken the cover off and traced the leak back to the carbys

    There are 1 hose from each carby Leading into the chain / sprocket cover housing leaking into it.

    Now what? Have opened up the carbys and they look great
     
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    could be dirt under the float needle and seat. need to remove float and take needle valve out and allow some fuel to flow through and take any crap with it.inlet hose could have detiorating rubber from e10 use by previous owner.
     
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    Have cleaned the floats. Still leaking
     
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    check the float heights then as the float is meant to cut the fuel off instead of flooding. the needle valve could be damaged? do they have a rubber tip?groove worn on the needle?
     
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    did not see greys reply when i left mine but same answer.
     
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    Those hoses that go to the carbies if they are open ended to the bottom of the bike they're likely to be your carby bowl overflow hoses. As has been said, for some reason you're probably flooding the bowls either because of the adjustment you made or because of something not seating. My first fix would be to put it back to the way it was, not saying you did anything wrong but if that eliminates the problem it's the easiest fix for you.

    On blowing the smoke, when the bike is running get a piece of clean white paper and hold it behind the exhaust. Not too close or the heat from the exhaust itself will likely evaporate anything that splatters on the paper. If the paper gets wet - it's water and you've probably got a head gasket problem. If it gets all oily then there's probably a ring problem or similar. It's a bit hard to diagnose but at least you kind of know what you're looking for. When you drained the oil, did you keep it in a container? Water will separate from the oil so observing the container for the next couple of days may see a separation which will confirm the above.

    Usually temperature gauages won't fluctuate much, especially if your bike is water cooled. 1/4 to 1/2 is quite a movement, and I wouldn't think flowing air would affect the gauge that much from highway to idle. Just my thoughts though. It may mean it is worth checking your water pump, for this I usually just take the cap off the radiator and start the engine and check if water is moving. Some radiators are pressurized when working though so check your manual first :)
     
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    What would happen if I clamped off the leaking hose?
     

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