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Discussion Electric Vehicles - The Way of the Future?

Discussion in 'The Pub' started by maelstrom, May 1, 2021.

  1. maelstrom

    maelstrom LiteTek Staff Member Premium Member 250cc Vendor Contributing Member

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    The race is on to get e-fuels to market.
    https://renewablesnow.com/news/maba...0m-litres-of-h2-sourced-fuel-in-chile-728017/
    https://www.cnet.com/roadshow/news/porsche-e-fuel-synthetic-gas-racing-performance-efficiency/
    There is no way that ships and Boeing 747's are going to be battery powered any time soon, so it gives me great pleasure to say, "Get used to it. It is the way of the future."
    As for the cost, if it is okay to subsidize green energy and electric vehicles then it is just as okay to subsidize e-fuels.
     
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    Andych Senior Member Premium Member

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    E-Fuels is the way forward... Electricity is still predominantly powered by Fossil Fuels or Nuclear so not all that sustainable in the long term.
    F1 is looking at E-Fuels for their next generation of engines and as we know... racing improves the breed.
    There are many forms of fully sustainable E-fuels out there and the technology etc will improve rapidly over the next few years... Long live the Internal Combustion Engine,
     
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    Not a matter of if , but when some European countries have mandated no new gasoline powered cars will be able to sold after 2030.

    I am warming to the idea but am
    Not rushing out to buy one just yet.

    Once engineers they solve the rapid charging issue so people are not hamstrung buy distance challenges , they will become mainstream.

    Just don’t buy one in Victoria, they are looking at slugging electric vehicle owners with a tax because they are loosing tax on fuel , sad really
     
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    My electric motorcycle moved closer to reality this year.
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    I managed to source NOS headlight, mirrors and various bits and pieces from Thailand.
    Now need to give MasterCard a rest.
     
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    I think there is a real market out there for electric bike conversions in kit form , maybe use the ninja 300 as a donor as they ate so plentiful
     
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    Two wheel drive motorbikes would be interesting - I do recall someone making a two wheel drive dirt bike many many years ago, from memory he used a fluid torque conversion system on the front wheel which is very clever

    The downside would be the significant increase of unsprung weight of a front wheel with an electric motor driving it - carbon wheels if they became the mainstream might go some way towards compensating for that

    I suppose a chain drive front wheel with the motor located on the sprung weight might also be possible
     
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    Ilmor rotator comes to mind also, or you have the Detroit Diesel, but you don't need the twin turbos feeding a supercharger for diesel compression ratios...

    The Junkers was genius, still is
     
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    I used to get industry-only magazines on automotive topics, one being engines. I have a particular person for engines and new engine designs, and I saw a number of them in patent searches and in these industry magazines. But the big companies don't like dealing with outsiders (too many potential headaches of disagreements on the licence, unknown origin of it is contested, etc.). One company has done the work of prototyping and testing, etc, but the industry didn't seem interested. There are 3 types of engines used in cars: Otto cycle (standard 4 stroke), Wankel rotary, and Atkinson (used in the Prius Hybrid motors, invented in the 1880s). The Detroit 2stroke diesel is the original 2 stroke design; crankcase compression came later. During the earlier years, up to the 50s or 60s, they were a little more adventurous, trying a number of different engines, including Junkers and turbines. Now, competition is tight, most brands fall under the umbrella of 4-5 bigger companies, they aren't very adventurous, and only want to operate under they own umbrella, or maybe licence with another established company.
     
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    With the availability of direct injection that works all sorts of options open up - IIRC the 500 GP bikes proposed direct port injection before they were superseded - the governing body said NUH-UH

    Just read that the NSR500 had injection in 1993, I don't they're making a comeback though
     

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