What's the difficulty with enamel ? That Dulux 2K clear will go straight over it, but with an epoxy enamel i would try it on a test piece first. make sure the paint has been on the test piece for about a week first or it might fry up I have been using the Duramax metallic's and solid colour's with 2K clear with no problem's
I can't use acrylic over the enamel because it will react. Enamel over acrylic is fine but not the other way around. Oh yeah that might work - it's an enamel: https://www.bunnings.com.au/dulux-duramax-125g-2-pack-gloss-clear-coat-spray-paint_p1400741 My aversion to clear coating is in part due to the fact that I was told a clear coat will yellow over time.
I dont think anyone mentioned putting acrylic clear over enamel did they ? All metallic car's are clear coated, there are a hell of a lot of clear over base (cob) solid colour's too Some of the cheaper brand's of 2K clear can have a slight tint of yellow, but you only need 2x coat's of it so you wouldn't notice My XR is done with cheap 2K clear, 2 litre's of it done in 2 coat's, no sign's of yellowing and it was done 6 years ago
I wasn't haven't any luck finding an non-acrylic/enamel clear until you mentioned the dulux 2K. So do I have to worry about the clear coat yellowing? Why was I told it would? This was coming from a former signwriter.
Hang on we've gone off on a tangent... What am I saying! All I need to do is fix the blobs and debris that are present in the top layer. So I'm just gonna make a temporary spray booth with fan to try to keep crap off the drying paint and make sure the can is shaken to death to avoid blobs. Then I won't need to worry about clear... Right now anyway.
If you are going to the trouble of making your temp spray booth to fix the colour coat I would still do the 2K clear.... Dont stress on it yellowing over time... the benefits far outweigh the drawbacks... You have to wet sand it back now to get the lumps etc down... so as long as you dont break through the colour, just clear it afterwards... using your booth will benefit the clear as well... it will be harder than the enamel, resistant to fuel and look pretty good too.
The 2K clear will be petrol resistant, something that most aerosol cans are not. The clear will yellow in about 20 years of being in the sun every day, so don't worry about it. Modern 2K clears are good for much longer if looked after.
You were the first one to mention the Dulux 2K clear in this thread when you posted a link to it on page 1 Get a Clay Bar kit and that'll be all you need to flatten any problem's if you have them. The clay is so easy to use, just break off a piece, wet it with the spray and slide it across the dot of dirt or the peel, keep wetting it to cut, turn the clay to give it a fresh cutting surface and you'll see it is making the paint mirror flat as you go. Just need's a very slight pressure on it to work
Ok thanks for that clarification Andy and Murdo, petrol resistance is something desirable. Hmmm I mentioned the Dulux Metalshield range, I wasn't aware of the 2K enamel from them until yesterday though. Anyway thanks, I'll look into the clay bar stuff, sounds like what I wanted to begin with, but to offer better protection putting a clear on sounds like a goer.
Hi Enamel shouldn't really be cleared even 2k will de-laminate after 4 or 5 years....I know there are enamel clears but they tend to be part of a product range and results may very if using them over the top of cheap rattle can enamels....Enamels can take years to dry fully....Anyway its best to let it cure for 3 to 4 weeks, otherwise you will be sanding into soft paint..Then depending on height of the high spots start with 1000 or 1200 and work up to 1500...use plenty of water with detergent (car wash works well) use a foam pad under the sand paper and use a light straight back and forth motion...Meg ultimate compound will polish out 1500 sandpaper marks fine with a electric polisher I use one of these not the greatest but does the job then finish with some cabana wax...you wont get a wet look deep gloss but it will look retro shinny
Hmmmm ok. If I do buy that 2K clear I will be checking with Bunnings that they are compatible with the Metalshield range I used for colour. If not fingers crossed I can get a decent finish with another coat of colour in a cleaner environment. I don't really want to have to buy tools that I have no plan to use again if I can avoid it. I'm cheap if you couldn't tell Basically my aim is to apply a clear if it is compatible, if not I'll do another coat of colour in a DIY spray booth and finish with clay bar if necessary.
Using a clay bar isnt going to make any difference to new paint... they are used in the detailing industry to remove contaminants from the surface of the paint... yes.. on old paint the use of a clay bar will leave it silky smooth... because it has removed contaminants... it doesnt actually "cut back" the paint. To do that you are best to use 800 grit, then 1500 grit and finish with 2000 grit or 3000 grit wet and dry. Use it wet with dishwashing liquid in the water and change the water and the paper often. If you are going to clear over the enamel (it is fine to do if you have left the enamel for a few days, regardless of what the numptys at Bunnings may tell you) you will need to flatten off the colour coat... you dont want to be trying to lay clear onto hardened gloss enamel. 800 or 1500 with plenty of soapy water and then wipe off with prepsol and a good wipe with a tack cloth.. All the same steps you should take if spraying in a $100K booth... no different using cans really.. preparation is everything. http://www.autogeek.net/detailing-clay-bar.html
No it will work fine,it does cut back any high's in peel too, i've been using the clay bar's for 20+ year's in my workshop I can get a peely paint job back to mirror finish in under a day using a claybar, done it plenty of time's. I still use it at home to flatten off peel when doing smaller job's. To paint over the colour with clear, just scuff it back with some 600 w@d with plenty of water, any finer and the clear will have nothing to stick to
Ok clear it is. Bought the Dulux 2K and will give that a go in booth & clay bar if need be. Thanks guys.
Made a booth, wet sanded the paint, applied the clear and faaaaaark. The clear didn't like half the surface. Painting still attracted a whole bunch of bloody debris so there's specks in the finish again! Will have to wet sand the shitty parts tomorrow and reapply. Not happy at $12 a coat.
I have only used prepsol once in the 30 year's i've been painting car's and bike's , i swore i'd never use it again and haven't since the early 90's, i had the same problem. It soften's paint, hence the fry up ^^
Micro fiber cloth to clean. It hasn't crackled like I've experienced before with clears, it's like the colour was wet and it hasn't been able to adhere. It's completely fine in the left side, just not the right or top. Is this it 'frying up'? I didn't use any chemicals prior to clear coating.