Need some help getting my fzr going again!

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  1. Charlie1

    Charlie1 New Member

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    as some of u know my bike was stolen for 18 months and yesterday the police found it and returned it to me.
    pulled it down today flushed everything, fuel tank, oil, radiator fluid, fixed up some dodgy electrial stuff

    it will start and idle but you have to have the throttle on hard and it wont rev at all, if u let go of the throttle it dies instantly <!-- s:( --><img src="{SMILIES_PATH}/icon_sad.gif" alt=":(" title="Sad" /><!-- s:( -->

    i noticed that the exup on the exhaust had a heap of wire wrapped around it looking like it was holding it open.

    i need some help getting it started again!

    edit: also the person in posession of the bike while it was stolen was caught riding the bike and knocked off. it looks like its been sitting on its side because there is grass and oil all over one side
     
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    Try to start it without the choke and crack the throttle open slightly so that you are only just moving it, if it doesn't start then use some choke, once it has been running for about a minute try to give it a rev, if it doesn't rev then try the slightly open throttle again.
     
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    Charlie1 New Member

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    ok i can't locate the choke, its gone. there is a cable hanging out the left side of the bike that might be it.
    i took off the airbox an inspected the carbie and there is black things going across all the carbies leaving a tiny gap for air, and when the throttle is twisted or that cable that i think is the choke they don't move
     
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    dave Well-Known Member

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    As far as I know the choke on the fzr is not a butterfly type restrictor like on older cars, lawmowers, etc. It is a valve that richens up the mixture and opens the throttle butterfly slightly.

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    The black thing you mention is the vacuum/flow controlled slide to keep the air velocity constant regardless of throttle opening.
     
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    well that cable hanging off the side was the choke..
    i pulled off the carbies and have cleaned them out, they had sand and tar and all sorts of crap in them but nothing restricting the floats or jets im pretty sure.
    all the fuel lines are vac hose, so they are going in the bin and i will have some fuel hose to go on. Also it didnt have a fuel filter so i got a $3 little mower one to go on the line.
    does anyone know a good way to flush the fuel tank, fuel tap and fuel pump?
    i'l get it all back on during the week and try to start it will the air filter off.

    i have a few things in mind that i need to know if they might work or are worth trying.
    digital speedo- can i wire the orig speed sensor to the new speedo to work?
    chain and sprokets- the sprockets basically have all the teeth chewed off them, i was thinking of going to 15 teeth front and 60 teeth rear. are they available in these sizes and what kind of chain would i have to get as it would have to be a fair bit longer?
    ignition- the ignition is gone and has been replaced with a little switch, would a ignition from a fzr1000 fit in the 250 ignition hole on the handlebars?
    triple clamps- im thinking about some fat mx bars, on my old mx bike when i did this all i needed was raisers with a larger hole, what do u do for the fzr as it doesnt have any holes to mount them?
    fuel tank lid- where the hell can i source a fuel tank lid? it would have to be one without a lock or one with a lock and key.
    tail- i was thinking an r6, tyga cbr250rr or tyga rvf400. which one would work best with the seat and battery? i like the style of the rvf400 mostly..

    also its gonna need a viv and rwc because it was stolen, so should i steer clear of any of these mods?
     
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    got some new spark plugs, fuel hose (all my lines were vac hose), fuel filter, front fender, tank lock and ignition with key.

    was checking out all the tails at the wreckers aswell. pretty pricey though, abut 400 bucks will get me something like an r6 tail with under tray, seats and lights.

    unsure if i should just get a tail and fabricate my own led tail light, under tray and cover for the rear seat.

    also is it possible to get a compression dint out of the top of the fuel tank? it looks like if i get some pressure on it, it will pop out but im abit scared of bending the fuel hole
     
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    dave Well-Known Member

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    Can always try this

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    thinking either a jimmy bar or just bogging it, 200 bucks for a new tanks at the wreckers bugger that
     
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    My mate is a car painter and he reckons you can hold a rag over the fuel cap and put compressed air in the tank should pop it out. Sounds a bit dodgy to me, I'd just bog it up if it's small.
     
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    I had a dent in my tank from where that guy crashed my bike, all i did was get a hammer with the round end, wrapped in it a rag and tapped it out from the inside. Worked fine, only problem was a hairline split in the paint.
     
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    how did u get the hammer in there the hole is tiny? i could only fit about 4 fingers in there when i was pulling bits of my lock out of there?!
    yeah i saw the compressed air dint removal on youtube, pretty interesting, i think its gonna need some force behind it though to come out as its flat on the top of the tank not curved
     
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    Carefully try the compressed air. It won't build up too much pressure with you holding a rag on it to seal it. The flat should pop out easier than a curved area. keep the pressure set low, maybe 10 psi.
     
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    i was actually talking about spraying compressed air out of a can onto the dint,
    if u put compressed air in the tank the fuel lines would probably blow off, but i can't see being able to build enough pressure to pop the dint out with a rag over the tank cap

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    OOOOOOH sorry man i mis read that, thought you were talking about the fuel tank cover.. <!-- s:oops: --><img src="{SMILIES_PATH}/icon_redface.gif" alt=":oops:" title="Embarassed" /><!-- s:oops: -->
     
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    well i got a jimmy bar in the tank and bent it back a little bit, the rest i will have to bog.

    go the carbies back on, replaced all fuel lines, new fuel filter, new spark plugs wired up new ignition.

    still wont start.

    i unscrewed one of the drain plugs on the carbie and fuel was coming out, also tested the spark plugs and they are sparking.

    dunno what else to do now.. im lost
     
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    Weird, sounds like you are doing a good job. Just make sure you have the correct spark plug leads to the correct cylinder, otherwise you seem to be getting spark and fuel, which would mean you may need to check compression. What is the situation with your choke cable? is it gone/replaced? Im thinking it could be stuck all the way open or closed causing a problem. Where do you live I might have some spare carbs you could try.
     
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    yeah i havent checked that, pretty sure it would be correct though as the person who had possession of the bike was caught riding it. the bike was lying on it side for a while if that helps
    as for the choke the cable is hanging out the side of the engine, the slider thing moves freeley so it operating properley, thanks for the offer for the carbies unfortuantly im in euroa at the moment so abit far from melbourne!
     
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    well i cracked it and trailered it to my local mechanic and going to do a compression test on it

    whats the normal compression for the 3ln's?
     
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    Over 100 psi would be enough to get it to start - 980kpa or 140 psi new.

    Squirt a bit of fuel and oil in each carb throat then crank it over..
     
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    he seems to think it is gunk blocking the jets, when i cleaned the carbs i only cleaned the bowls and what ever else was visual on the jets and floats because i was afraid of stuffing up the jetting
     

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