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Restrictions in Victoria

Discussion in 'Yamaha 250cc In-Line 4's' started by grendal, Aug 31, 2005.

  1. grendal

    grendal New Member

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    Im looking at selling my 250 soon due to technical dramas....Ive had enough <!-- s:cry: --><img src="{SMILIES_PATH}/icon_cry.gif" alt=":cry:" title="Crying or Very sad" /><!-- s:cry: --> . Now, by the time I fix the bike again, and have it in selling condition..it will be around november. I come off my P's in feburary, so it would be silly of me to purchase another 250. It seems the only way I can have a bike over summer is save some cash, and upgrade to a 96 gsxr 750.

    I was just wondering, what are the penalties for riding with a bigger bike and without a P plate? I know you lose a coupe of demerit points not showing the plate.

    Can anyone confirm fines? and/or add opinions.
     
  2. koma

    koma New Member

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    Riding without displaying a P plate is $210 fine and 3 demerit points.
    Riding a bike larger than permitted is a ~$130 fine and no demerits.

    So you've got a toal of $340 and 3 demerits and that's IF you don't get stopped for going a little too fast. ;)

    I'm in a similar boat, but i've got my folks up in Qld that i'm planning on visiting and 'localising' myself into the Q-Ride program for a little while before returning back to Victoria.

    *Those numbers were pulled from thin air, but i looked into it a month or so ago when i too wondered what happened if you got done riding a 'big' bike.

    edit: As for opinions... well id say why oh why a Gixxer... but as long as you spend more time riding than polishing we won't hold it against you. :p
     
  3. Spook

    Spook New Member

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    mate i've thought long and hard about doing the same thing. Being a taller guy I've eyed off a couple of bigger bikes and had to restrain myslef. I know 2 people who have upgraded well and truly before the official time ticked over and neither have had any incidents. One older guy just HAD to get his harley to show off and as far as i know he hardly rides the thing anyway.
    the other guy had plenty of dirt bike experience and just by-passed the whole 250 thing and went stright for a road-registered 450 chook-chaser.
    Me, i think i'll sit it out.
    Biggest problem is the potential accident - IE no insurance, you pay for all damage incurred (both to you and any one else) and if its serious that could get mighty expensive. No legal defence.
    But if you think positive, chances are you will get by.
    As for the GSXR, nothing wrong with that in my opinion. But this is a yamaha forum so expect to cop the odd wind-up <!-- s:roll: --><img src="{SMILIES_PATH}/icon_roll.gif" alt=":roll:" title="Rolling LoL" /><!-- s:roll: -->
     
  4. Liamo

    Liamo New Member

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    Gixxers are cool!!! oh yeah ... Yamaha rabble rabble ...
     
  5. koma

    koma New Member

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    //Here comes a rant...

    Ok, here's just a little observation i've made whilst out and about usually up in the hills riding. There are certain bikes that people just buy for the sake of saying 'i own a .....'.

    The first is most definitely a Gixxer (doesn't matter what engine capacity). So many times i've caught up to some nong on a GSXR that pins the throttle for every straight then jumps on the brakes and teeters through the corner with near no angle on the bike! Worst part usually comes when i overtake them by late braking into a corner; when they realise they just got taken by a 250... well it's pin the throttle time as soon as it's on the straight. <!-- s:mad: --><img src="{SMILIES_PATH}/icon_mad.gif" alt=":mad:" title="Mad" /><!-- s:mad: -->

    The second bike although IMHO less poser'ish than a GSXR is a Ducati (R & S models, not Monsters). Yes, there are plenty of cafe racer morons out there who own 748's & 998's etc that can't ride to save themselves; but there there are alot of decent riders who are just too fearful to bin $20k+ worth of hyper-bike.

    //End rant.

    Yamaha's are lovely bikes. ;)
    Triumph's are also lovely.

    Honda, Suzuki & Kawasaki are OK. That is all.
    All others other than the exotics should stay in museums.

    <!-- s:D --><img src="{SMILIES_PATH}/icon_biggrin.gif" alt=":D" title="Very Happy" /><!-- s:D -->
    Try and take that all in good humour... i'm having a tough week.
     
  6. Boz

    Boz New Member

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    Agree - have you considered a thundercat or thunder ace (or a yzf750?) All great bikes, and you will normally find them cheaper than a gsxr-750 too.

    As for p plates - are you getting off your p's or restrictions? There is a big distinction - p's actually don't put any restrictions on you as a rider - it is the the restrictions that say 250, no alcohol, no pillion. You are on restrictions for 1 year after you get off your l's regardless of if you are on p-plates or not. If that 1 year is up (and even if you still have time on your p's) you can upgrade and proudly display your p's on a bigger bike. If you have only been off your l's for 6 months, then you need 6 more months on a 250 regardless of if you are on your p's or not. I had my full car license when I came off my bike l's. I never needed to display p plates because I actually received my full bike license when I passed that test - however i was still on restrictions for 1 year.

    I bring this up because a lot of people don't make the distinction between p's and restrictions and assume they are the same. You may be in a situation where you are not restricted at all now!
     
  7. koma

    koma New Member

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    I think givent he fact that Grendal implied he was displaying a P plate suggests that he isn't a fully licensed driver. In which case, me thinks he's restricted.
     
  8. Boz

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    But that is what I mean - you can be on p plates but off your restrictions (or the opposite, as I was - off p-plates but still in restrictions)! If you get your p's, wait 1 year, then you are officially off restrictions and can ride anything despite still being a p-plater. Which is why there are some larger bore bikes displaying p-plates (there is a ninja-750 here at work with p plates, and I have seen an r1 with p plates) - I can only assume that these people are off their restrictions.
     
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    Why a 96 gsxr750?
     
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    Why not? It was still a good looking bike back then. But then again I like most of the larger-bore sport bikes of the mid-nineties. <!-- s:roll: --><img src="{SMILIES_PATH}/icon_roll.gif" alt=":roll:" title="Rolling LoL" /><!-- s:roll: -->
     
  11. koma

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    I always wondered about people on big bore bikes with P plates... but assumed they had the documentation to go with it. ;)
    I know a certain someone who came down from QLD under the Q-Ride program and is now on a Vic license with the requirement to show a P plate but riding legally a relatively new ZX6R.
     
  12. Liamo

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    Triumphs are junkers!! but im probably biased because they are a British bike and we irish dislike that for some reason, i just dont think any of their machines can shake a stick to a similar jap model
     
  13. koma

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    Thats the point, they tried to directly compete with the Jap hyper-sports and failed dismally. Why? Because the Jap engineers had been doing it for years, and were very very good at producing the inline 4 rev monsters.

    Triumph tried with the Daytona TT600 and failed. It's not that it's a bad bike, i actually really really like them... despite all the BS about 'bad FI mapping'. To be honest, i'm really glad Triumph have returned to what they're good at - building bikes with soul. The Triumph Triple is the perfect example of what i mean. No other bike (ok, exception of MV Brutale) is in the same league as the Speed Triple, and IMHO it's one of Triumph's best bikes.

    Yeah yeah yeah, i know you potato munchers don't like the poms (i'm half pom btw... :p) but i don't hold that against you. Ugh, i'm 1/8th Irish, 1/2 English, and FIIK what the rest is.

    Out of interest, has Ireland ever produced a motorbike?
     
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    What is wrong with your bike??
    I'm getting preaty handy with FZRs perhaps I can fix it??

    as for the P's... look at your licence... it should tell you till when you are RESTRICTED on a motorbike... it deos not meter if you have RED licence (P's)...

    If you are restricted and you get cought... technicaly you are riding WITHOUT licence and that is big trobble (around $500 + point loss)
    If you crash... gods have mercy on you and your walet...
     
  15. Boz

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    I think he is on an rgv...
     
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    ow... no wonder it has technical problems...
     
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    FZRDude
    96 GSXR750 is still carbed. Haven't you guys learn't anything from this site!!! Stay the hell away from Carbs!!!

    98 GSXR750 is first of the fuel injected, still a modern shape (Bumble Bee). Only $1000 difference for a hell of a better bike.

    Just my opinion.
     
  18. koma

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    Oh now come on... i think we just got a raw deal with the FZR carbs. Of all the other carbied bikes i've ridden, i've never had the owner say... 'ah geez i oughta clean the carbs again.' Atleast with carb's you can fix it with a vacuum guage and a bit of carby cleaner; with FI, you better get that laptop out. ;)
     
  19. Liamo

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    ive never heard of an irish motorbike company, there is an American Chopper type place in dublin that make the odd chopper using a doner engine, custom frame, tank etc. they mainly do customising on other bikes tho.
     
  20. grendal

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    Ok looks like I have some explaining to do. Sorry I couldn't reply earlier!

    First of all, yes it is an RGV, im having electrical problems with it. My restrictions run out 01/02/05.

    Why a 750 you ask koma? Well id love a new 600..but they are too expensive. I dont want to spend anymore than 6500.

    My dad owns a 95 cbr600..which ive ridden, it honestly doesn't have much more power than my rgv, which I prefer over the cbr600, as it is 45 kgs lighter. So a mid 90's 600 wont do anything for me.
     

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