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Discussion in 'FZR250.com - Archives' started by FiZzR, Aug 5, 2006.

  1. FiZzR

    FiZzR New Member

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    Before anyone jumps in and tells me to check other posts on the same topic, let me qualify this question by pointing out I have already searched under 'speedo cable' to see if anyone has had similar problems.

    I recently noticed that my speedo's stopped functioning. Bought a replacement cable for it, because I felt the sheath around the cable down near the wheel and it felt pretty worn so I assumed that was the prob. anyway, it wasn't - when you spin the cable from the wheel-end, it turns the trip meter.

    My question is - what does this mean? is there something in the hub that could be jammed/worn/broken? I saw FZRDude's post with a picture of something in the front wheel hub - does it relate to that?

    Any helpful comments appreciated,

    thanks guys,

    FiZzR
     
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    FZR Dude New Member

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    How long ago was it that the front wheel was taken off in relation to the speedo not working?
     
  3. FiZzR

    FiZzR New Member

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    Front wheel hasn't been taken off in the time I've owned it, and speedo was working fine until a few weeks ago...

    Only thing that I thought may have had an impact on it would be an accident I had in June - low-speed drop after someone ran a red light and knocked me over onto the rhs after I turned left onto a main road (I had a green arrow giving me right of way). But the speedo did work initially when I first repaired the non-cosmetic damage (busted right handlebar and) and got it roadworthy again.
     
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    FZR Dude New Member

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    Spin? (As in attaching an electric drill to the speedo cable?) It turns the trip meter but not the odometer and the actual needle doesn't move? Then I'd say you've a knackered speedo unit.

    If all works fine with the drill attached, then it is the speedo drive at the wheel. Possible to be a combonation of both, but unlikely.
     
  5. koma

    koma New Member

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    If the actual shaft drive cable is fine, and the instrument cluster is confirmed working (ie. the needle moves when you spin the cable by hand), then there's only one more link in the chain; the speedo drive unit down at the wheel.

    What your going to need to do it get the front wheel off the bike, which usually requires a jack and an assistant - or you can hang the front of the bike from ratchet straps or similar attached to the roof; whatever is safe and sturdy. Don't work on the bike unless it's safe!

    Once you've done that, undo the pinch bolts on the bottom end of the fork legs, then take out the safety pin, and undo the front axle. You also need to remove the brake caliper before you'll be able to get the front wheel out.
    When you get the front wheel out you'll see a metal object about 5cm round and 2.5cm high attached to the right hand side of the wheel (assuming infront of the bike). That's your speedo drive unit. Now if you look in the wheel where you just detached the drive unit you should see a round piece of metal with two little tabs that stick up. If there are no tabs then thats your problem! Head on down to Yamaha for a ~$5 replacement part, then reassemble. Might be worth giving it all a good clean whilst your in there then applying some grease to the little gears in there. The reason it failed it usually because the gears jammed, causing the momentum of the bike to shear the metal tabs off the ring.

    (By the way, all this is written from the perspective of an FZR1000 so some details might vary; i recently had this thing break on my bike... hence knowing what to do.)
     
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    FiZzR New Member

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    Cool - thanks - will check that out.

    One more question - I've got a new right-hand side alternator cover, because it's been completely scratched up.

    It's just simple case of unbolting the old one and bolting on the new one isn't it? Was going to do it before the guy who repaired the fairings refitted the right side, but he made me think twice when he mentioned the gasket and wasn't sure if there was oil in there.
    I'm pretty sure there's no oil - I've had it off once before, and I've never heard of an alternator housing holding oil before...assuming the original gasket's in good order I shouldn't need anything other than the new cover, right?

    Cheers
     
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    No oil but yes there is a gasket.
    Just be careful with it and it'll be fine. The gasket i believe is meant to keep moisture out.
     
  8. FiZzR

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    Yet again - thanks.

    Well, once I get that replaced, the exhaust resleeved and the speedo working again (such a damn fiddly job and requires taking the newly refitted fairings off again - bugger) it will be in near-showroom condition again. Which will then beg the question - to hold onto it or sell and upgrade to a 600 because I can - at least theoretically. Financially is another story! <!-- s:???: --><img src="{SMILIES_PATH}/icon_confused.gif" alt=":???:" title="Confused" /><!-- s:???: -->
     
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    Hey just wondering where you can get your exhaust redone in Sydney, how much does it cost.Oh and how much was your alternator cover?
     
  10. FiZzR

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    Alternator cover= $88

    Exhaust resleeve = not sure on cost yet (the guy never returned my call and haven't yet chased him), but the details are:

    Racetune Motorcycle Mufflers & Custom Exhaust
    unit 20, 4 Ethell Rd
    Kirrawee

    Ph. 9521 3488 or 0411 540 350

    (It's in Sutherland Shire - I was just recommended this guy by the bloke who repaired my bike - there's got to be other guys that do it across Sydney.)
     
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    instrument lights

    Okay, a further question: after having the bike repaired, which involved the repairer removing the top fairing, I've found that I now have only the lower-half of my speedo illuminated, and the tacho and temp gauges are completely blacked out.

    The guy mentioned that he had tidied up the blinker wires a bit, but when I asked him if it was possible he had bumped something while replacing/removing the top fairing, all he said was maybe I've blown some globes. Not really much I can do as far as getting him to fix it - he's no auto-electrician.

    I guess it can't be a fuse as then I would have no light at all on any of the instruments and probably other stuff would be gone too, so it's either some sort of wiring short or the globes.

    Has anyone had something similar happen? what's the easiest way to get to these globes and wiring? Will I need to remove the main fairing?

    Damn second-hand vehicles - all these little niggling things are driving me nuts...
     
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    I would go with the instrument globe replacement and see what happens.

    P.S. if it is a 2KR the fairings dont have to come off. don't know about 3LN
     
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    Nah, it's a 3LN-3, not a 2KR. I'm going to have to fiddle around and see how I go about removing the instrument cluster, I can't get to anything at the back otherwise.
     
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    A few words to the wise: remove the entire front section instead of stuffing around with the front fairing, headlight, mirrors, indicators, etc. You just have to undo two bolts where it attaches to the tripple clamps, and then undo any electrical plugs (which you would have to undo anyway).

    Without the bike in the way, you should find it easier to get to the bolts that hold on the instrument panel… and you’ll find it MUCH easier doing it this way, than trying to stuff around aligning everything up with the various spacers, etc, on the headlights / bolts for the front fairing. I’ve taken the front fairing off once by choice – and fck me I’m never doing that again if I can avoid it.
     
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    Haha, while ive been spraying mm bike ive been taking off and putting on the front fairing on a daily basis, got it down to 20 mins to put back on all the fairings to ride.
    My question however is in regard to a speedo cable, didn't want to start a new thread, mine snapped and need a replacement. My wrecker has nothing in stock so do anyother bikes have them of similar length or do i just order it through yamaha?
     
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    Almost all shaft driven speedo cable's are the same. It's just a matter of removing the cable and sheath from your bike, and taking it down to the wrecker to get one approximately the same length. As long as it's no more than about an inch or two longer you should be fine! (Don't get one shorter than your current... i think you can guess why!)
     
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    Clutch, meter part # ??

    Hi all.

    I wonder if anyone knows if the part # for the clutch meter on the front hub for the FZR 250 is the same as the FZR 450 ?? I have an 88 2KR that has decided to break the clutch meter. ( Tabs broke ) <!-- s:-? --><img src="{SMILIES_PATH}/icon_Eyecrazy.gif" alt=":-?" title="Eye Crazy" /><!-- s:-? -->

    The local Yamaha Dealer only deals in snowmobiles and ATV's and WILL NOT HELP ME. I called a Yamaha Dealer that is about 3 1/2 hrs away and they say they can't confirm yes or no as the FZR 250 was never sold here in Canada.

    I have a part # for the Clutch, meter: # 341-25149-00-00 that I got off Yamaha Canada's web site's Micro-fiche that is for the 88- 89 FZR 400.

    Any ideas? I don't know how fast I would be going without the crazy thing.

    Any help would be VERY APPRECIATED.

    Take ' <!-- s:-? --><img src="{SMILIES_PATH}/icon_Eyecrazy.gif" alt=":-?" title="Eye Crazy" /><!-- s:-? --> er easy.
     
  18. FZR Dude

    FZR Dude New Member

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    Best I can find in the Japanese Parts list is: 1WG-25190-00

    So I'm going to say Nope won't work. There could be several reasons...

    Axle diameter, it is used as a spacer so thickness, and lastly gearing.
     
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    Part #

    FZR Dude.

    Thanks for the help. The bike shop said the part # that you gave, 1WG-25190-00 will get me the whole gear assembly that they have listed for a 88-89 FZR 400. They said mine was fine and that I just need to get the clutch, meter ( The tabs are broken ) and it was part # 341-25149-00-00 on the micro-fiche for a 88-89 FZR 400.

    The part number you came up with. Did you find that it fit <!-- s:???: --><img src="{SMILIES_PATH}/icon_confused.gif" alt=":???:" title="Confused" /><!-- s:???: --> for the FZR250? If so, the bike shop said that part fits on the FZR 250 then the part # I got for the clutch meter should also work.

    What do ya think? <!-- s:???: --><img src="{SMILIES_PATH}/icon_confused.gif" alt=":???:" title="Confused" /><!-- s:???: -->
     
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    FZR Dude New Member

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    My bad <!-- s:oops: --><img src="{SMILIES_PATH}/icon_redface.gif" alt=":oops:" title="Embarassed" /><!-- s:oops: --> ,

    #341-25149 would be #5 in the parts fiche and what you are looking for. So yes, that'll work.
     

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