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What tools for home servicing/dismantling?

Discussion in 'Yamaha 250cc In-Line 4's' started by Katatonic, Jun 3, 2006.

  1. Katatonic

    Katatonic New Member

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    Hi,

    I'm looking to purchase tools to start work on my FZR250 however, I'm not sure where to start.

    I want to learn to completely rebuild an engine but I'm obviously going to start with the basics <!-- s:) --><img src="{SMILIES_PATH}/icon_smile.gif" alt=":)" title="Smile" /><!-- s:) -->

    This being changing clutch, brake fluids, gearbox fluids, chain and sprockets. These are fairly easy to do <!-- s:) --><img src="{SMILIES_PATH}/icon_smile.gif" alt=":)" title="Smile" /><!-- s:) -->

    Then I want to clean and tune the carbs myself and hopefully in a couple of months open up the engine and clean her out, polish it etc <!-- s:) --><img src="{SMILIES_PATH}/icon_smile.gif" alt=":)" title="Smile" /><!-- s:) -->

    Because you can't find a manual to grey imports I'm wondering what kind of tools I need for this? This includes removing fairings etc. I don't want to be stuck needing that 1 tool for a couple of days because I'm too busy to go to the shop.

    Can someone else tell me exactly what they do when they service your bike? When I asked the mechanic pretty much all of it I could've done myself.

    I'm also willing to post up an entire blog of my process detailing things I've learnt and how others with an FZR250 can do it themselves, this would also help me learn myself by teaching others.

    Thanks guys.
     
  2. FZR Dude

    FZR Dude New Member

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    This by no means is a complete listing of what you need, but a list to get you started.

    Allen wrenches (hex key)
    Torque wrench (ft/lbs and in/lbs) Or newton/meters for those that use metric
    Metric open/box end wrenches (spanners)
    Dead blow hammer (filled with sand)
    Paddock Stands
    Screwdrivers (phillips and slotted)

    A halfway descent tool set-up like this will only set you back about $500, but I've been working on my tool set for about 10 years.
     
  3. Katatonic

    Katatonic New Member

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    Thanks mate, just the kind of things I had in mind.

    Will be heading out to a few stores early tomorrow morning to do some browsing.

    I use to have the tools to dismantle a whole engine etc, they were my Old Man's until someone else got hold of them...

    Will a socket set do instead of a spanner set?

    Trying to minimise costs as well <!-- s:) --><img src="{SMILIES_PATH}/icon_smile.gif" alt=":)" title="Smile" /><!-- s:) -->
     
  4. koma

    koma New Member

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    I personally use my few socket sets more than i use spanners.
    Amusingly enough, i can pretty much dismantle my entire bike using nothing but the tool-kit it came with! (The little Yamaha one).

    If i were starting from scratch, the things i'd probably get (the things i use the most at the moment) would be...

    - decent socket set
    - torque wrench
    - impact driver with a bundle of bits
    - screwdriver set
    - allen keys
    - milk crates for paddock stands
    - multimeter
    - soldering iron (& solder)
    - a few files and sandpapery type things
    - funnel (for oil & other fluids... might be worth getting a small and a big one)
    - kitty litter tray (to drop the oil into)
    - feeler guages (if you want to start getting into the engine)

    - WD40
    - brake fluid
    - corrosion inhibitor (or premixed radiator fluid)
    - mineral turpentine
    - Mr. Sheen <!-- s:cool: --><img src="{SMILIES_PATH}/icon_cool.gif" alt=":cool:" title="Cool" /><!-- s:cool: -->
    - bag of old rags & towels

    If you head out to Super Cheap Auto and pick up everything on that list, you'll pretty much be able to dismantle anything on the bike. I'd be guesstimating that $100 will set you up with the above list.
    From there, once you start working on the bike you'll discover you need things like a small 8mm socket with an extended reach (trust me on this one!), so a trip to Repco or similar will get those more specific items.

    List of things you might wanna consider if you've got some money burning a hole in your pocket:-

    - vacuum gauges
    - micrometer
    - proper paddock stands or a bike lifter
     
  5. Ciaran

    Ciaran New Member

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    Also add to the list.

    Tools:
    Assorted pliers
    Set of ring spanners
    Breaker bar
    Torch

    Other things to think about:
    Anti seize compound
    Kero
    Rags

    You will find hundreds of things that you will add to the list as your experience grows. And remember theses are Jap bikes, Metric all the way!

    Cheap tools will end up costing you in the long run.
     
  6. koma

    koma New Member

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    Oooh... yeah i forgot about those!

    Definitely atleast a set of stubby and needle nose pliers.
    Adjustble vice grips also come in handy occasionally.
    Tube of Loctite
    Grease (of the mechanical variety)
     
  7. FZR Dude

    FZR Dude New Member

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    latex/rubber/vinyl gloves
    bandages
    beer
    duct tape
    3 bungie cords
    2 paper clips
    and a rubber chicken
     
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    Circlip Pliers as well!!! they will save you a lot of time and frustration. Needle nose pliers just aren't as good... speaking from experience <!-- s:oops: --><img src="{SMILIES_PATH}/icon_redface.gif" alt=":oops:" title="Embarassed" /><!-- s:oops: -->
     
  9. koma

    koma New Member

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    ... and a partridge in a pear tree!
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  10. Katatonic

    Katatonic New Member

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    Alright all seems good.

    Wish me luck, I'm even going to get a bleeder kit and do the breaks myself as I have an air compressor.

    Possiblly next week end clean out my carbs and see where we go from there.

    Thanks guys, will be heading out to tool shops now to get my stuff. Just wanted to make sure I wasn't going to waste my money <!-- s:) --><img src="{SMILIES_PATH}/icon_smile.gif" alt=":)" title="Smile" /><!-- s:) -->
     
  11. FZR Dude

    FZR Dude New Member

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    Just curious, what size ratchets do you guys have over there? Are they 1/4, 3/8, and 1/2 inch?

    Or some "Hokey" metric size? [​IMG]
     
  12. Ciaran

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    They are still the old 1/4", 3/8", and 1/2" imperial sizes.

    Most if not all bleeder kits you will get at autobahn etc are fairly useless. Save your money.

    All you need is an old beer bottle, about 1m of clear 5mm? I.D. tube from bunnings, a small enough spanner, rags, screw driver and brake fluid.
     
  13. Katatonic

    Katatonic New Member

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    Anyone know where I can get a bike stand?

    I'm looking at this one:
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    But what are pick bobbins? How do I put them in/onto my bike? Are they permanent / temperary? Google / eBay search have failed me.
     
  14. Ciaran

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    To use that stand you are going to have to buy bobbins as well as drilling and taping a hole in the swing arm. Much easier just to get one with L shaped ends that lift without needing to drill any holes.

    Most good stands will come with interchangeable L and bobbin type pickups.
     
  15. Katatonic

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    Can you give me an example of the stand you mentioned so I know what to look out for?
     
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    Most sets come in both Imperial and "Hokey"... i mean Metric. <!-- s:lol: --><img src="{SMILIES_PATH}/icon_lol.gif" alt=":lol:" title="Laughing" /><!-- s:lol: -->
     
  17. FZR Dude

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    Personally I like Metric. I just had to grow up learning Imperial/SAE. So they have a 6.3mm, 9.5 mm, and 13mm drive ratchets? I lead a sheltered life here in the NW US.
     
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    I'm going to emphasise FZR Dude's previously mentioned torque wrench. If you're going to be stripping the engine down and putting it back together a lot, then you're going to be wanting to make sure that you're using a torque wrench. It's a pain having to set it every time and use it - but if you don't you'll very quickly end up stripping bolts, stretching them, or worse yet, snapping them off or stripping the holes they go in.

    While you're at it, buy some ThreadLocker - it's just peace of mind for bolts, etc, with low torques
     
  19. koma

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    Nope, we've got the usual set of 1/4", 3/8", 1/2" lot... then we've got the usual 6mm, 8mm, 10mm, 12mm, etc... Makes things interesting occasionally when your not sure if you've got a metric or imperial head, but you learn quickly as to which bits have been modified/localised.
     
  20. FZR Dude

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    No, no, no.... I'm talking about the part of the ratchet you put the socket on. I know you have Imperial and Metric sockets, I was just asking if you have metric ratchets....







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