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Help CBR250RR MC22 Dies after a 20 minute ride.

Discussion in 'Honda 250cc In-line 4's' started by Ghost, Sep 7, 2015.

  1. Ghost

    Ghost Active Member

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    My MC22 has been sitting for a while, I've decided to get her up and running for a bit of fun and commuting. Over the past year the battery has been replaced, carbys tuned, chain and sprockets replaced and a host of other things. I bought the battery a year ago, but I've been starting it every now and again and it started easily when I took it for a ride on Friday. I emptied the old fuel and replaced it with new.

    After about 20 minutes of riding and everything going really well the revs suddenly died and the bike stalled. After trying to start it for 10 minutes it sprang back to life and I headed home. 5 minutes later it died in the same way, but wouldn't start after that. It was towed home and I've taken the battery out to be charged. Wondering if anyone else has experienced this or has any idea what would cause it?
    Cheers
     
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    Willrcr15 Well-Known Member

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    You'll have to start narrowing it down to either fuel or spark.
    Get to the plugs & check there's good spark
    Then next thing is try the fuel line off the carbies for fuel flow first, it could be a blocked filter.
    More than likely its a fuel issue that a simple clean up will fix.
     
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    Murdo The Good Doctor Staff Member Contributing Member Ride and Events Crew

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    I would start with the fuel filters. Does it have an in tank one? Is there rust in your tank? Does it have an in line filter? If all these are clear, then check fuel flow to the carbs. Does the tank have a breather tube that could be blocked?
     
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    Phil Senior Member Contributing Member

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    If the bike has been sitting for a period my guess is some blockage within the carbs. Of course I could be wrong but fuel left in carbs turns to muck and causes untold trouble. A good clean with Threebond should clean things up nicely, keep us posted.
     
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    MC22's are known to have issues with the voltage regulators, do you have access to a multi meter ? You can pop your side cover off and check the regulator doing a simple diode test ( google voltage reg check, there are plenty of youtube vids out there) , the other simple check is to pull the seat off and check the voltage to your battery. Could be fuel related, eg filters blocked etc, one thing you can try is when it stops running, open your tank cap and try and start it, could be vacuum \ petcock related.
     
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    I was just talking to a mechanic, he said that the regulator could be faulting, I checked it with a multimeter and everything was fine. Wondering if a regulator was known to fail when it reaches running temperature?
     
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    sounds hard to isolate, but what I would want to know is if its lack of spark or a fuel issue.
    Might be worth running it up to temperature then when it happens quickly check for a spark?
    Way to many possibilities at this point to isolate.
     
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    Linkin The Mechanic Premium Member Contributing Member Dirty Wheel Club

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    Buy a multi meter from Jaycar, set it to voltage (dc) and measure battery voltage in the following conditions:

    Ignition on, engine off
    Engine on, idling
    Engine on, 4,000 RPM
    As above with lights on

    You also need to measure the voltage when cranking the engine over. A healthy battery should not drop below 12v when cranking.

    Also note that battery voltage should never read over 14.4v, if it does, the electrical system is feeding too much voltage to the battery and will fry it. The cause of this is a faulty R/R

    Also have the valve clearances been measured or set?
     
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    sorry i missed this. exactly my thoughts do that!
    my money is on a spark plug is fouled. but if not then yeah check for spark.
     
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    how did you check it ? Did you set your meter to diode ?





    Check that each phase of your stator , ie check the yellow wires are not going to ground by setting your meter to continuity .. ( beep test), place one end in each the yellow wires coming from your stator and the other to your frame or engine, also check that the meter does beep if you check from phase 1 - phase 2 and phase 2 to phase 3 and phase 3 to phase 1.



    Check the voltage across your battery at idle, when the key is turned on and and when its running and revved up to about 4000 RPM, should read over 14v

     
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    Sounds like fuel starvation to me, check all filters. Did it need choke when you first got it started again? What speed zone were you in? Something could be slowing fuel flow down and when it needs fuel. Say cruising speed of 9000rpm continuously it may not be supplying fuel fast enough.
     
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    Guys is the mc22 a vacuum or gravity fuel tap?? @kiffsta @Mclaren @Damus @Phil could it be as simple as vacuum line not connected to tap?
     
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    Yes its vacuum and yes that could be the problem *nods*.

    Where are you located ghost?
     
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    Could but my mine has vacuum line removed runs on gravity dunno y it dun like that but it runs mint

    It is meant to be vacuum I should of said aswell

    I have had this problem in past with dirt bikes was bits of crap blocking jets then settling and was moving again blocking jets I'd pull them off and check cost nothing and easy to do plus it been sitting
     
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    It's funny you say that. I think technically it is gravity fed fuel but there seems to be a valve that only allows fuel to pump out the petcock when there is enough suction on the vacuum line. I don't think the vacuum itself helps it feed it petrol as such, just allows it to flow. Safety feature perhaps? *shrugs*
     
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    have you checked the vent opening in petrol cap,if blocked (wasp dirt etc ) can cause this problem
     
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    Isn't the reserve position on the petcock gravity fed (no vacuum)?
     
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    Wow, I can't believe the response from everyone, this is amazing.
    The tank, in line fuel filters and tank are clean, theres spark and it starts normally. I think I started it with the choke on the day, but only for less than a minute.
    When it first happened I was accelerating out of a corner into a 60 zone, didn't quite make it to the speed limit before it stopped. When it happened the second time I was on the Centenary Motorway, I think the speed limit was 90. It was fine accelerating up to the speed limit, then died all of a sudden when riding normally.
    There doesn't seem to be any blockages in the tank vent, to be sure I blew it out. The vacuum line is secure at both ends and it doesn't appear to be damaged.
    I checked the regulator and stator by following a video by Eclipse, everything seems normal there.
    Next step is to put the battery back in, check the voltages, then attack the carbs I guess.
    I'm in Oxley, SW of Brisbane.
    Thanks for the responses, I'll keep everyone posted.
     
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    cool , another Brisbane rider !!!
     
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    Intermittent problems are hard to diagnose. But if you're logical and think about it you may start narrowing it down.. for example it's got spark, you've tested reg/rec, stator battery and all is good - I am doubtful it will be electrical. Conductivity generally increases when components are warm. Unless you've got a short somewhere, that would be harder to find so I'd rule out fuel first before you start chasing ghosts :p

    Sounds to me like it starts and rides, so it's got fuel at first. When you stopped it wouldn't start again - if it's got spark it means it's not getting fuel. That could be a jet blockage or it could be a fuel supply issue. I'd be looking at your fuel tap, I'm not overly familiar with the CBR's but if it is vacuum fed you shouldn't be riding in PRI mode (which is the only way it will work by gravity). If it works when you're "ON" you've probably got a problem with your diaphragm or something in the tap itself because it simply shouldn't supply fuel without the vacuum line on. So as has been said, that's a good thing to confirm...

    Good luck.
     

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