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Fuel tap bolt spacings?

Discussion in 'Kawasaki 250cc In-line 4's' started by edwardo, Mar 3, 2015.

  1. Joker

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    How inconvenient. Well there must be a way to lean them up/adjust without messing with the floats...? I'm used to both the bandit and the FZR which both have adjustable needles heh!
     
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    I still have the bogging issue. I've got some symptoms which hopefully will help diagnosing it.

    Floats are at 13mm, fuel screws are out 2.5 turns.

    -Riding on the highway 1/8 throttle, if I crack it open, it sometimes bogs or stumbles for a second then BOOM it kicks me in the pants and takes off.


    -Sometimes boggy when revving out midrange, feels powerful and strong at full throttle.

    -Feels crackly and not making full power at when riding out gears not at full throttle.

    -Emulsion tubes, needles and jets looks good, not rounded etc. Maybe they are bad and I can't see it.

    I hear you can fine tune fuel screws by turning them while the bike is running and warm, turning one at a time and listening to get the highest revs.
     
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    errrghhhhhhh I just had the tank off to fiddle with the bike again an out of curiosity I tested the voltage of the battery, it was 12.2-12.3V off, and with it running it was the same, and then revving it out it only increased to 12.6V...

    Could this be my problem? Or perhaps just another problem all together
     
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    Hmm. Read part 6a) of this, make sure you do the test properly: http://www.2fiftycc.com/index.php?threads/howto-testing-a-motorcycle-stator.2052/

    I'm starting to wonder if your problem could be a electrical current issue driven by the stator not providing enough current. Do the online and offline tests, they're pretty easy to do and see what it is telling you. You want to see >13.2V or so when your bike is running across the battery.

    A lot of people may say that jets just need a "blow out" but this often isn't good enough. They need something physical to remove the build up. I like to use the bristle of a toothbrush for the tiny jet holes and a bristle from a wire brush from the larger ones. You want to be careful not to damage them, but stroking them gently through the holes should clean them up properly. Perhaps try this as well.
     
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    Yeah I think I've diagnosed the rectifier as the fault. Alternator wires should put out 25vac @ 4k rpm which mine all did. Resistance between the same wires should be between 0.05 and 0.6 ohms which mine were.
    Replacement rectifier coming through from kiffsta, cheers man.

    Also when I first got it running I charged the battery which would explain why it ran well at the start but got slightly worse over time.

    Will try a carby clean like you described if this isn't the problem.

    Thanks for input :)
     
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    Yeh but make sure you change one thing at a time to ensure you are solving issues and not masking others. Do the reg rec, then check the jets after you run her for a while.
     
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    /long exasperating sigh

    Swapped out the old rectifier for the new old one, voltage is much better now.

    Problem is, that POS boggyness is still there.

    The new rectifier seemed to make an improvement, revving past the bogging somewhat easier than before (better spark?) so the question now is is it still electrical or not.. I could be imagining this though so yeah..

    Bike seems to run fine cold, and these problems occur after approx 10min into a ride. So that would mean its a hot problem..
    Rich problems get worse as they heat up, so do electrical problems..

    Also going up the hill, the spurting and bogging has a distinct sound, like chattering or clapping, not the usual bog sound like burbling etc.

    I will probably pull the spark plugs and check condition when I have time. Maybe even replace them even though they are new (few months old).

    So the battle continues haha.
     
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    I've fouled plugs on the 1st attempt to start. Just because they were new, doesn't mean they are in new condition. I'm sure someone will chime in with the ole wire brush/sand blaster trick. But I have to ask. That goes directly in the most sensitive part of your engine to debris, why the hell would you use either? If you want to clean a plug off hit it with a torch, but do yourself a favor and replace them! I'll hit plugs with a torch to get a bike up and going, but as soon as it starts and runs I throw new plugs in.
     
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    Could not disagree more, have cleaned plugs for years with excellent results. Never have the MOST SENSITIVE PARTS objected to this.............sorry mate but I can't agree with your take.
     
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    To each their own! Do dig in and look for bits of debris after such cleansings?
     
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    So I pulled the plugs today and I'll let the picture do some talking. It seems plugs #3 and 4 are actually a little bit blacker than the other two. I'm not sure what this could be. Bike runs crappier when warm.. Now I'm thinking more electrical than anything.. Perhaps rich problem in both rhs carbs and a workmate just suggested worn rings..

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    They're crap. Clean them if you want but I'd be replacing them. For the sake of $20ish, at least you can eliminate them as the problem.

    I had the same thing on my yammy when I got her, was running too rich. Looks like you need to lean her up a bit. New plugs will help with the boggyness a little.

    I'd be taking the bowls off the carby and cleaning the jets, not forgetting pilots and cleaning it all up sweet. Then start from standard turns out on pilots and tune. But remember where they were to start with just in case ;)
     
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    Plugs just need a clean with some emery paper.

    When did you last check your valve clearances ?
     
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    I just did clearances a few months ago, some of my clearances were so tight! Rechecked them afterwards and they all within spec. New plugs are in, my guess is it will run sweet for a while then turn to crap.

    I thought the plugs looked odd, 2 looking more blackened.
     
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    Just hopped on the bike for a blat to uni and it still has a shitfit up hill on barely opened throttle, this is with new plugs. Seemed a little better but I can't be certain. Seems to happen when warm, 10 or so minutes into riding.

    This weekend I'm gonna pull my coils and resistance test them, also going to sync carbies as I remember you sync carbs #1#2 as a bank, then #3 and #4 as another bank, then you sync the two banks together. My thoughts are perhaps one bank is out.. Maybe.. Ha

    If coils tests are good I may pull the carbs for finer cleaning and all that.

    If it doesn't work after this then it might be off to the mechanic lol
     
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    Have u snipped the ends of the plug leads and re screwed the caps into the clean wire?
     
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    Prior to getting the bike on the road (clearances and all that) I did install brand new ht leads, the copper type. I did have trouble getting the old fittings to work with the new wire though on the coil end.

    There's a little screw cap on the lead which screws onto the coil and uses a rubber stop on the lead to keep pressure on the wire. Might redo them when I test coils.

    Thanks man :)
     
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    good thinking, could be something that simple !!
     
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    More chapters of the zxr chronicles.

    Spark leads and coil leads were kinda mixed up but were exactly opposite to what the manual specifies, so it still worked. Regardless, changed it back to stock, coil resistance tested fine, cleaned contacts and all that- still ran crap.

    Turned fuel screws in 1/4 to 2 & 1/4 out and the bike spat the dummy earlier in the ride than before. Makes me wanna turn them out to 2 & 3/4..

    Gonna get hold of a carb sync tool and get them 100% also.

    Just a quick question about fine tuning fuel screws for the highest idle- do you tune them one at a time to get tyhe highest idle, or turn them all bit by bit to achieve highest idle?
     
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    One at a time and slowly. Give the engine time to respond and your hearing a chance to distinguish the difference.
     

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