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Is there a few measurements I can do to see if my bike is square?

Discussion in 'Suzuki 250cc In-line 4's' started by andrew, Jul 9, 2013.

  1. andrew

    andrew Well-Known Member Premium Member Contributing Member

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    hi guys i am new to riding (roughly 30-40 hours combined) so it could possibly be me, but i find my bike tips into right handers fast with no control of how far yet the left seems more comfortable. i know people normally have a prefered side but this dosent seem like thats the problem.

    i bought a 96 across that had obviously been dropped. bent right handlebar(i replaced from wreckers) scratches on the both sides of fairings (deeper on right side) .headlight dosent seem to sit square in the hole in fairing and chipped paint on stator cover with no scratches. the front tyre seems to be worn more on the right side however the rear tyre seems even (a mate of mine questioned the front tyre). when looking from behind the bike shows no obvious signs to me of being out of shape.

    any help would be appreciated
     
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    I would start by looking from the front.....to check your forks arnt bent or pushed out of wack (as the front bar was bent this is probably where it took the biggest hit)
    If things arnt bent they may have just "moved" in the triple trees .... which would require undoing all the holding clamps etc and moving it all about into its correct position.

    The other simple thing is to make sure the chain/wheel adjusters are even on both sides on the rear wheel.

    A simple way to check the wheels are sitting "straight" is by a string line, or 2 straight edges each side of the wheels....google it .
     
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    Im with GI, bent forks could be the culprit.. it only takes a couple of mm to affect the handling, can you post a pic of your front tyre ?

    Bent Forks test

    I check bent forks by jacking the bike up from underneath, the loosing the top and bottom bolt on the triple tree (one side at a time) that holds the chrome part of the fork to the triple tree, once loosened, you should be able to grip the chrome fork leg and turn it around easily ( tighten back up before trying the other side ), if it wont turn then there is a good chance the fork could be bent. Also have a look for movement in your headstem.. could be bearings are causing the handling issues :

    How to test head stem bearings :

    With the front wheel off the ground, start turning the bars from side to side you may be able to feel it being notchy as you doing it. The movement should be nice and smooth. Another method is it sit on the bike, apply the front brake and rock the bike back and forward.. you may feel a small amount of movement which may be worn headstem bearings.

    Last but not least.. how are your tyre pressures ?
     
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    run a straight chalkmark on flat concrete and push bike along it. if deviates somewhere a problem. try triangulating from front wheel to fixed points either side of bike. 1mm or less nornmally in tolerance level . jap stuff is normally identical.
     
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    Saw a bike at my mechanics sometime back, rider was experiencing similar problem to you. Fork tubes were marked slightly but not bent, head stem bearing adjusted and greased, still no resolve??? The bike had been involved in an accident at some stage, no much known how or where. In desperation the entire head stem was found to have a crack within, At that stage I was a little lost but a second hand one was sourced and problem solved.
    I never fully understood the implication, perhaps worth a look!!
     
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    hey guys. sorry i cant import a photo (file too large and dont know how to reduce it) but when looking at the photos i did see that the mud guard faces to the right side of the wheel slightly. havent had a chance to do the string line test but ill do it on the weekend. i dont have any stands to lift the front of the bike but ill try to measure things as risky said. if i can find the problem there then ill find a way to lift the front. the cracked head stem sounds scary if it lets go. thanks for the advice guys ill keep you posted:thumb_ups:
     
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    If you have a windows machine, right mouse click on the picture - > send to - > Mail recipient and select 1024x768, then save the image from the e-mail and it will be smaller.

    If you dont have the necessary tools, then drop by your local bike shop, Im sure it will take them less than an hour of their time to determine the cause of your handling issues, this could well be $100 well spent.
     
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    other thing is brand of tyre. ch4nese ones may not have the internal cords right.have seen a few tyres wearing funny from there.
     
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    well there you go, thanks Kiffsta.
    i was hoping to do things myself, so ill try what i can even if i do have to take her in to see the doctor in the end.
    the tyres are batalax. cant really see the problem with tyre wear but you can see the mudguard pointing out !cid_19F8012FDE0744E78483FD56A53160EB@andrewPC.png
     
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    Hey Andrew
    The photo clearly shows extra wear to one side of your front tyre??? It's been awhile since I worked on an Across so I am uncertain how the mudguard is attached. Some bikes have a plate that the mudguard attaches to, others are fastened on the forks with 2 bolts each side. If yours is attached to the forks, I would hazard a guess that you have a bent fork which has applied more pressure on one side causing that lift in your guard. This is but pure supposition on my behalf, but kinda makes sense. Adverse pressure applied to the plastic guard will do this. Keep us posted.
     
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    other thing you might try is swapping the fork legs over.do not know if it can be done on accross.
     
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    Take all the plastics and fairings and wateva off so u can see the forks full length ..... stand straight in front and look for any thing out of line ..... then even if it looks bent , as mentioned before loosen the triple trees and see if they "move" back into place.
    You need to then also get the front end off the ground and spin the front wheel and see if its running true.
     
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    also put spirit level across frame and when bubble level use small spirit level on headstem holder and see if vertical.
     
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    ok so i had three small kids in the back yard so i didnt get much done inspection wise. however i had the bike on the side stand and got the handlebars straight(by eye). i ran a string from the front tyre down the back of the bike either side. the right hand side was a fair bit out from the back wheel where as the left side touched the rear wheel and needed to go further. i also done this from the rear to the front but couldnt really tell anything
    i havent taken the plastics off yet due to the kids and their antics but will do that on the weekend.

    my current question is when i undo one side of the forks to check if its bent as Kiffsta said, does it need to be on a stand so it dosent fall or something?

    oh and also my pressures are standard 29f 33r. i know they should be a bit higher but a mate said leave them there till i get more experience
     
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    take the fairing off and set bike on flat concrete.have the missus take the kids away and get a mate to help.jack under the motor to get front wheel off ground.
     
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    also try bike with extra 3 pound of pressure in tyres and adjust to your body weight. my 750 honda feels mushy if i do not run 36 in front tyre.
     
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    ok. well i went for a short ride today, went to servo (1-2km away) put front up to 33psi and rear 36psi and what a difference to handling, however i did look down and notice that the handlebars are facing right slightly. when i got home i removed all plastics relevant and proceded to check if the forks were bent.lol i found out quick that you should jack the front up. so i got 2 car jacks under the frame and jacked it up. the left fork turns easily once loosening the clamps but the right one i had to use alot of effort only to spin it 2mm. so im assuming according to Kiffsta that my right fork is bent.

    also i turned steering left to right and got a feeling of resistance twice in one full motion.

    so should i perform the string test again now that the bike is up in the air and straight instead of on the side stand?
    also can anyone suggest whether i should get a new fork or pair even or is it cheaper to have one or both sent away for repair

    i just read Grey imports comment and ill go out now and put the bike back down and loosen the triple trees and see what happens, who knows it might be part of the reason for the fork not turning.
     
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    if you felt resistance turning the handlebars there is a good chance you are missing some head stem bearings or they need grease.. undo the top head stem nut and see if bearings missing or dry.be careful not to lose bearings andbearings are cheaper at a bearing shop than a bike dealer.
     
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    should have seen that coming. lol are the special tools to undo the triple trees universal or is there a specific size needed
     
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    Sounds like your getting somewhere ........ obviously if its the right handle bar was bent ,the right fork was likely to be bent ...... I would still loosen things up and see if its just been put out of wack in the clamps.
    If it is actually bent .... If it was me I would be replacing both forks , not knowing what hit the other fork suffered.

    The other problem u may face is the resistance from turning may be damage from the hit also.
    In other words your whole front end is screwed.

    When u do get it sorted 1 way or another string line it again to make sure everything is true.
    Theres 101 methods on google :thumb_ups:
    https://www.google.com/webhp?hl=en&tab=mw#hl=en&biw=1536&bih=733&sclient=psy-ab&q=string line motorcycle wheels&oq=string line motorbike&gs_l=hp.1.1.0i22i30l2.1871.10845.0.12683.21.20.0.1.1.0.674.5997.2-15j2j2j1.20.0....0...1c.1.19.psy-ab.DTvEqhVl43o&pbx=1&bav=on.2,or.r_qf.&bvm=bv.48705608,d.dGI&fp=55c6bfaf591da0ae
     
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