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Replacing clutch plates

Discussion in 'Yamaha 250cc In-Line 4's' started by koma, Sep 6, 2005.

  1. koma

    koma New Member

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    Ok, as promised... here comes the first big guide on how to do most things clutch related. Now if your not 100% sure you know exactly what your doing... don't just go messing round in here; take it to a mechanic.

    Part Numbers:- Part numbers were for a 3LN-3, although they should be the same for 2KR's & 3LN-1's.
    Friction Plates x5 :- 3XP-16321-00
    Friction Plate x1 :- 1HX-16331-00
    Gasket :- 3YX-15462-00

    Firstly, remove the sump plug to drain the oil out. We are dealing with a wet clutch here, and it's shares it's oil with the engine. Whilst the oil is draining, we can get the new clutch plates that you've already bought from Yamaha (at about ~$8 a piece for the first 5, then ~$20-30 for the 6th one... it's slightly different. Not $20 worth differeny, but ah well.), and put them into a clean small container/bucket and pour in enough fresh oil (same type you'll be putting back into your engine) to cover the stack of plates.

    Once you've done that and the sump has finished draining, you can start removing the bolts. There are 9 bolts... and you'll need a good socket set with an extension to get to atleast one of the bolts - the rest should come undone without too much trouble.
    Once all the bolts have been removed, gently pry the clutch cover off with either your fingers or a screwdriver; it should come off fairly easily but given the gasket has been there for who knows how long, it might need a bit of a pry. Chances are your going to break the gasket as your pulling the cover off, so it's part of the parts list (~$15-20 from Yamaha).

    Once you get the clutch cover off you will be greeted by something that should look alot like this. If it doesn't look like this... might be a good time to call that mechanic. ;)
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    As you can see, the clutch is a series of metal and material friction plates. The friction material is somewhat like a brake pad... and as such they wear out over time. Give your clutch a hard time and they'll wear out faster.
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    Now, we need to undo the the four bolts that you can see holding the springs in. Make sure you keep all four bolts, washers & springs safe.. go put them in that ice-cream container you always keep near by when working on your bike.

    Now, once your remove the metal plate... carefully hold all the clutch plates (now referred to as a clutch stack) together and remove them by pulling at the last one, ie. the one deepest into the bike. Now without separating them, place the clutch stack down onto some clean newspaper.

    Now you'll have a clutch stack that looks like this...
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    ...and a clutch basket that looks like this.
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    Now, what you need to do is take the new clutch plates out of the fresh oil, and one by one... replace the old worn out ones in the clutch stack with the new ones. The one that is different needs to go at the 2nd top of the stack (assuming metal cover is at the bottom); it also has a metal wavy ring that goes inside it. I don't have a photo of it, but from this photo you can just see what i'm referring to. See the red arrow.
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    Assuming you've managed all of this so far... your doing pretty well.
    Now it's time to reassemble in reverse order we took it all apart; so firstly carefully (making sure their clean! No dirt/sand etc) put the clutch stack back into the inner basket making sure it's all seated properly. Then put the clutch springs back in, and screw them back in with 5.8Nm of torque as the FZR250 (EDIT by DonTZ125) manual specifies (if my memory serves me correctly). DO NOT try to get them tight, as it will only strip the threads of the basket. Just get them all done up evenly and all will be well.

    If you bought a new gasket for the clutch cover (as you should have), then make sure you clean the surfaces of the clutch cover (where the old gasket may have stuck to) and also the mating surface on the bike - no grit, no dirt, no gumph... or else you may end up with an oil leak. Then use some gasket sealant, or failing that... some of the oil you just used to bathe the new clutch plates in and wipe it over the surfaces that the gasket will seal. Very carefully position the gasket on either the clutch cover or the bike, which ever is easier... then carefully put the clutch cover back on. Again, double check.. triple check that it's all in the correct place and it's made a firm seal just by you pushing it on and holiding it there.
    Now it's time to put all those bolts back in. Put them all back in to finger tightness, then do them up to a moderate torque setting (~15Nm... check the FZR400 manual for an exact number)... in a criss cross pattern. Ie. start in the top right, then bottom left, then top left, then bottom right...

    Once all of thats done it's time to fill the oil back up to the specified amount (see the oil change How-To for more details... but i've assumed you can do that else i wouldn't recommend attempting this guide!) and then start the bike up again. Do the usual precautions of starting it, letting it run for a short while, stop... then check the oil level again.

    Ok, now i'd highly recommend just checking the clutch adjustment by with the engine NOT running, put the bike in first gear and just push it along and slowly let the clutch out to find the new friction point. Adjust this by using the clutch adjustment screw up by the clutch handle. Once your confident that it's set to a comfortable and safe setting... it's time to get kitted up and test it out.

    TAKE IT SLOW! The clutch will most likely bite alot at first. Do not give it a heap of rev's expecting it to react how it did before. Ease the clutch out slowly in first and become familiar with the friction point. Once you've done that, take it for a slow lap around the block making sure everything feels right. For the first 100km's or so, the clutch will take a bit of bedding in... and after that you should have adapted to the feel of the new clutch. Just again, take it easy with the new clutch - no mono-popping attempts whilst it's bedding in; don't even rev it hard off the lights. You never quite know when you might forget you've got a new clutch and end up with some expensive repair bills.

    If there's anything that i might have skimmed over too quickly, or missed out on all together... please post in this thread and i'll amend the info.
    Hope this adds nicely to the little pool of knowledge on out little FZR's. Oddly enough, the method used to replace this clutch was mostly taken from a ZZR250, with the FZR400 manual providing some assistance.

    Happy & safe riding.

    UPDATED: 14/09/2005 with part numbers

    Mod Edit: 15/7/2011 to correct spring bolt torque.
     
  2. FZR Dude

    FZR Dude New Member

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    Well done, Koma. Nice and concise.
     
  3. koma

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    Cheers Tim.
    There's a 'DIY' sprocket guide coming up aswell, again when i get round to typing it all up.
     
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    Wow. Thanks for the advice... I might do mine myself now that I know how to do it!

    Where do you order parts from?
     
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    koma New Member

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    Yamaha themselves actually.
    They should have everything you need (although it's stored in a warehouse in Sydney, so for us interstaters its a 2 day wait). Even the local Yamaha (mostly dirtbikes & weekend riders) had the microfiche for it all on their computer, got the part numbers given a few minute wait... and gave me a straight up price (a reasonable one aswell!).
     
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    fantastic post! Thanks.
     
  7. dave

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    Hey KOMA,

    you might have noticed that the outer aluminium fingers of the basket have little indentations where the plates sit and drive against it.

    These are a not there in a new basket, and if the get deep enough can cause problems with the clutch not engaging properly as the friction plates wear.

    If they were worn in about 1 or 2 mm I would be looking to fix it as when the new plates go in they may be sitting partly on a high spot and cause the edges of the friction plate fingers to wear unevenly.

    I had some trouble with my sons IT200 and removed the basket and filed the fingers flat again. The trick is to get all the fingers even so that the load is distributed evenly around the baskets.

    A few mechanics told me that the fingers would break off if I did it, but we hade no problems and it cured the clutch probs.

    Having said all that, yours does not look bad enough to worry about, in fact I had my clutch cover off when I did the service recently and mine was a slightly worse than yours but still not bad enough to do.

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    Yep, as you said... i was fully aware that grooves can form on the inner basket and outer basket from excessive clutch dumping (abuse), but mine were actually in pretty decent condition. When running my finger along each of the fingers there were no sharp or obvious edges or notches, which generally means that it'll be right for a fair while.

    I'd hope that if you were going to file away at the inner basket you'd atleast take it out of the bike and away from the other engine internals. Engine components don't like small fragments of metal. <!-- s:) --><img src="{SMILIES_PATH}/icon_smile.gif" alt=":)" title="Smile" /><!-- s:) --> (yeah yeah yeah, the filter SHOULD get them before they cause trouble... wouldn't like to find out the hard way).
     
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    Also people keep in mind that there are 3 different after market cluch plate suppliers... I was told that one of them is NOT suitable for the FZR (I belive it is the cheapest on the market and the name starts with A or N unfortunatly I forgot the name...)
     
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    OK, I should have mentioned that it has to be removed to do the filing. It would be extremely dificult to do in-situ anyway. The basket is not hard to remove, from memory, just one nut to undo to remove the inner basket and I think the outer then slides off.

    I used a coarse rasp and filed two opposite flats at a time to keep the file on the right plane.

    I guess the dirt bikes just get a hard time on the clutch because of the riding terrain as well

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    koma you champion! This guide will come in very handy.

    Also, I have always wondered what components of the clutch assembly are responsible for the rattling noise? Is it an easy fixed problem?
     
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    LOL, if it's a clutch rattling noise that tends to get better as it warms up - that's normal clutch noises! (don't wanna go fixing them). If you've heard a Ducati recently (dry clutch), if it's like a muffled version of those noises... it's just the plates moving around in the baskets slightly. A tiny bit of play is normal, if it's more than that you might be needing to replace atleast the inner clutch basket (PM me if your after one ;) ).
     
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    Koma, do you have the part numbers? They would come in very handy...
     
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    Yeah that’s the one. I knew that it was normal to an extent but didn’t know if it was just because of toleranceing or not. I am not due for new clutch plates just yet, so I don’t think I will shell out for a busted gasket just to check out the shape of the basket.
    No actually, I am too poor to be filling my head with thoughts of a duke just yet (read; when will this damn apprenticeship end!)
     
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    wow you made that seem dead set easy. Thanks alot koma!
    I could do that.

    How much is a replacement basket, however? It'd be good to know incase there's 3mm indents in mine when I take a look. <!-- s:shock: --><img src="{SMILIES_PATH}/icon_eek.gif" alt=":shock:" title="Shocked" /><!-- s:shock: -->
     
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    Not cheap, but i happen to have a replacement one here should anyone need one. Happy to do a good price on it. ;)
     
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    Also, don't forget that the metal cover has an arrow stamped on it, and the basket has a dot indented into it. You have to line the arrow up with the dot when you put the metal plate back on...

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    It is also a good idea to change the clutch springs at the same time as changing the plates. The old ones have been in there for upwards of 14 years and will probably be feeling a little tired. It will give the clutch a much firmer feel and an even better chance of no slippage. I got a set of springs for my 3LN-3 for $25 at my local Yamaha dealer.
     
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    What else can you get new for your model fzr?

    I saw that you have finished a respray (nice work)

    Did you do any major engine work?
     
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    Thanks for the compliment for the respray.

    I didn't get any work done to the engine, just fixed up my clutch from slipping like a biatch. I didn't get new plates though. Just firmer springs and gave the steel plates a bit of a rough up and presto, no slippage. I know its a bit dodgy, but it works well.

    I haven't tried to get much else new from Yamaha, so unsure on the availability of new parts.
     
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    Well I dont need that basket koma, took the bike for a burl and it feels like the clutch has incredible response. It engages real fast when needed, but they guy must have loosened the cable because it engages halfway and you get a perfect amount of control and play. I like to be able to ride the clutch. The honda CB's at the L test place had verrry touchy clutches - so touchy I was stalling it at first on takeoffs.

    Hope the clutch lasts me a long time.
     

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