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The "Build Quality" Debate

Discussion in 'The Pub' started by Joker, Jun 10, 2014.

  1. GreyImport

    GreyImport Administrator Staff Member The Chief Contributing Member

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    Good point there Stu ..... u definately pay for an image or "name"
    I wonder how many bits on a Harley come from China?

    Being an old bastard theres so many things u can remember from way back that are now so inferior but still using a well recognised image or brand name .....
    Just a really basic commodity like biscuits ..... Arnotts still have the same range as when I was a kid ..... I still remember my favs ....today they taste like recycled cardboard.
    I still remember going past the the Arnotts factory at Homebush and the smell would make u :Drool:

    Now I would have no idea where or how they are made .... I dont think I want to.
     
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    I've been to the Arnott's plant. I'd say it's not so much a change in recipe, but the way it's made. Where I work we make a product that is made with ancient equipment really slowly (our company used to be owned by a Japanese parent company). We're currently upgrading this equipment to new stuff to make it run faster and more efficiently but it does change the consistency of the product a little. So despite no recipe changes, a modification to the machinery and the quality is different. So I suppose, tying that into this conversation, the technology available at the time of manufacture can also directly impact quality.

    I like our products better when made the old way but I know the difference from my own experience first hand. I get why we're moving away from it though, inefficient and expensive.
     
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    So called progress comes at a price my friend?????
     
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    Fast and efficient production = **** product

    Cant see any logic in that watsoeva by the decision makers.
     
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    You're getting into branding now Stu. Even the Chinese understand branding and build quality. They buy their home built cars because it's all they can afford, but they still value brands like Mercedes Benz, VW etc. If you own a "Benz", then you're a winner. See how many of them want one when they migrate to Australia. Someone already mentioned "Jap Crap"...I grew up with this term and after that came the Koreans (remember Hyundai's first efforts?) and now we're in the "Made in China" era. Today, many people would buy a mass-produced Japanese car without giving it a second thought. In fact, they'd probably buy it because they feel it good value for money and has great reliability. Hell, I have a Kia and I think it's a great car. Why didn't I buy a Holden or a Ford? I think this thread has covered why. The Chinese, as someone stated, build some good stuff but the overall image of poor quality assurance will take a long time to wear down. Just my opinion.
     
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    I think there's a difference between the perception of poor quality and actual poor quality. It takes time and consistency to demonstrate superior quality and build the market trust. The Japanese have done this - but whether they are taking it for granted or not now, I can't really comment. There are a lot of vehicle recalls in Japan recently... is this because they're outsourcing the manufacture of their components more often these days? Hard to measure, but something to think about.

    I'm not sure I agree with the first statement, it's really not that simple. I would say production efficiency probably doesn't have a direct impact on product quality, but the causes of inefficient production can.

    Production speed only impacts product quality when the quality control systems are incorrectly designed for that speed. If the quality control system is good, the product should also be good - but they should develop together. Poor quality can come at either high or low speed with a quality control system that is incorrect or insufficient.

    As for the logic, it's not that complex. High efficiency = lower MCC's (manufacturing conversion costs) which results in higher MAC levels (margins after conversion). You essentially want to maintain the highest efficiency possible for the equipment for as long as possible. Speed does not necessarily equal efficiency though. It will help it to a point, but then efficiency will start to degrade as you exceed the machine's capability/design limitations.

    So when you're trying to run a business AND sell product at a competitive price, it is in your best interest to maximize efficiency (at the best calculated speeds) where possible. If you didn't, you'd have to pump out much higher volumes to make your money and if it's not a product that sells in such large volumes - you won't be able to sustain business.
     

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