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Help USD ZXR forks on a CBR RR

Discussion in 'Honda 250cc In-line 4's' started by Tim_, Oct 22, 2014.

  1. Tim_

    Tim_ resident nutcase Contributing Member Dirty Wheel Club

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    I just found all the posts and i posted them in "what have you dont to your bike today" instead of a thread, so nvm
     
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    Well if anyone measures anything on any of their bikes then please let me know so I can add it to the database for the benefit of humanity at large. Pics preferred to verify dimensions.
    http://litetek.co/Guide_USD_ForkDatabase.html
    Cheers
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    I have some from a Husqvarna TE449 (dirt bike, 300mm travel) that I could measure for you if it would be any help.
     
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    I would say that the unsprung weight and torsional stiffness advantage the USD forks give would be negligible on the mc22?
    I have ridden broth the zxr250 and the mc22 and if anything I felt that the mc22 inspired more late change control in a corner over the zxr which is so rigid any late changes seems to upset things.
    Perhaps I am just crazy but for some gut reason I have no desire to get USD forks over conventional. There doesn't seem to be too much science or testing behind USD forks being vastly superior, if anyone has solid research that could provide evidence to contrary please share.
     
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    Just to quickly expand, I feel that USD forks are grossly over hyped vs standard. People say its a fact that they are better but I see no evidence. For one, stiffer inst always better e.g. remove the grips from your handle bars... There u go more feel!!! Stiffer. Secondly the unsprung weight difference would be so negligible that its not really fair to mention, you'd probably lose more weight inserting a titanium wheel axle with a hell of a lot less effort. If they are in fact better why is there no controlled environment tests to prove it? Where is the lap times being reduced by 3 seconds?
    I have 3 questions
    1. How much stiffer?
    2. How much lighter?
    3. How much did the lap time reduce in a controlled environment?

    Seems like more of a fashion statement like the array of other needless things e.g. drilled rotors or 95% of people talking about how a muffler sounds instead of the performance change.
     
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    Haha, thanks Murdo, but I am not sure that it would help. :lolsign:
     
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    Hey Damus, BSA bantam and Honda Z50's had USD forks because they were cheap, not special. :lolsign:
     
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    Interesting thread. Riding on a fast track yesterday revealed rebound issues front and rear on the bike. Shame on me for not addressing those while I had the bike down to the frame, but it's not going to be easy to find someone to rebuild an MC22 shock here in the u.s.
     
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    where are you in the USA? I am currently in Pennsylvania and I have have had plenty of experience with MC22's.
     
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    I can honestly say you can feel the road better, the bike handles bumps during corners better, there is no great wobble of the handle bars during mid corner bumps. BUT that can be due the stiffness of forks, on the weight subject honestly I think the USD forks are heavier but I do not know for sure as I have never weighed them. The other thing that was put to me was from a flex stand point in the fork(where the triple tree clamps onto) and it would make sense, but that is not a proven fact either... The only thing I can truly say is it comes down to the rider, if you can notice the differences and see/feel the differences for your self what is the problem with doing it? I have noticed the differences in handling, the bike handles more like a ZXR now(witch is one thing I like about ZXR's). If you have ever ridden a ZXR you will know just trying to turn the handle bars during turns will make the bike want to stand up..... I will have to finish this off later i have to go out
     
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    so now the MC22 does the same thing, I prefer this because I love leaning the bike. I do not remember if @kiffsta actually road it or not, But I have road tested the bike and @Brizfox and @Th3_Huntsman were there for the ride. Now they didnt ride the bike but it functioned how it should and road how it should, also it didnt look of angle or font sitting to high, I actually go the bike back to stock height so the rake and trail were not off.
     
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    These are the pictures I have found on here so far.
    IMG_2744.JPG IMG_2745.JPG IMG_2760.JPG IMG_2761.JPG

    And this is why the H frame needs deleting
    IMG_2763.JPG

    I will keep digging for the pictures if the parts I had to make in the lathe and the parts I made for the bearings.
     
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    And this is with the ZXR key barrel wired into the MC22 cluster, I had to use the barrel as the MC22 key barrel didn't fit on the ZXR triple tree.
     
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    this is a post from November 2014.

    So today i wanted to see if what i had done was working 100% and i was annoyed to find out the CBR head stem bearings in the bottom half was to big for the ZXR yoke.. (i think thats what it is) but the ZXR yoke has a lip at the bottom and it was to wide to fit the bearing.. so with a very very fine grinding stone and my trusty die grinder.. i painstakingly ground the bearing mount and the lip of the yoke.... im talking mm by mm then stop and check... then mm by mm stop and check.... then after about 2 hours.. it fit.. dead on where i needed it to... so the yoke would stay centered to the bearing mount.. put it all back together... and dam it works well... no moving around just a smooth roll as you turn the handle bars...

    i also had to make a new mounting spot for the choke.. so its now mounted on the H frame near the bike frame...
    im also finding the ZXR handle bars sit more forward then the CBR so when im almost full lock right the clutch assembly hits the speedo..

    also kudos to @kiffsta 50mm was way to much sticking up through the tree... the added 15- 20mm of the adjusters meant they would hit the H frame... so i dropped the forks down to 25mm.. and now they clear the H frame...

    now to solder in the ignition..
     
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    Another post from around that time too.

    I still think my tank is sitting too level... Almost all other MC22's i have seen have a more aggressive angle on the front end.. So after lowering Hildegard's front end yesterday and seeing how big of a difference 5mm can make to riding position alone I think I will lower it another 5-10 mm.. it will give that aggressive angle back and shorten the wheel base and tighten the rake.. Which in turn should give back the the handling.:thumb_ups:.. She does handle better now the front end that is not so twitchy when hitting bumps mid corner.. But if no throttle is applied in the corner the bike wants to sheer its self.. @Th3_Huntsman informed me that all ZXR's do this.. So it maybe just something I have to deal with because of the new fork set up... :crazypilot:

    Also my rear brake is dragging.. So I think i will need to re build the caliper
     
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    more posts on the progress,

    correct I am using ZXR USD forks which are a good 60ish mm longer then CBR telescopic forks.. Im trying to get the bike back to the stockish height.. but now with fully adjustable front suspensions... The problem im having is the H bar.. or mirror mount as some people would call it... because 60ishmm is way to long to have sticking through the triple clamps.. im playing with how much of an angle the tank is on..I have seen some bikes with with a angle forward and others where the tank is almost level... With the tank being level i have to see how that effects the float levels in the carbs and what wear and tear is it putting on the engine.. thats why im playing with getting it back to stockish handlebar height.

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    aaannnnndddd more,

    I took Hildegard for the ultimate test... I went for a 3 hour ride.. up the west side of the Mt Glorious and back down.. out on some open winding roads...
    the ZXR speedo is actually accurate... which surprised me..
    All I can say WOW what a different bike... the bike carried through corners brilliantly.. On the open winding road i was taking corners 30+km fast then i used to.. and it the tighter stuff it was 15-20km fast.. The forks were doing their job perfectly.. if i hit a bump mid corner there was no jaring of my wrists.. im not sure if its a the heavier steering or the better fork assembly but she just ran beautifully... the bike felt more stable on the road.. Honestly it reminded me of riding my R6... the 5mm lower triple clamop gave the perfect riding position... i can not wait to go riding again..
     
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    the wheel that's on it now because the red one was buckled
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    Hey mate, what's the total the forks are sticking out the top? What did you do about the clutch hitting the speedo, And is there much else I need to do for fitment other then the triple tree bearing stems? I've started stripping my bike and I will start the swap most likely this weekend
     

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