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FZR250 - had work done to my bike and . . .

Discussion in 'Yamaha 250cc In-Line 4's' started by richie, Jul 9, 2015.

  1. Linkin

    Linkin The Mechanic Premium Member Contributing Member Dirty Wheel Club

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    OK then. The standard position for the clip on the needles is the middle position. The top 2 positions = lean. The bottom 2 positions = rich.

    Should look like this

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    Backfiring when you have the throttle open can point to an electrical or other problem, but if it's just popping when you let off the throttle, you have an air leak in your exhaust system somewhere. It means that air is getting sucked into the headers or muffler and igniting. Nothing that needs worrying about, but if it annoys you, tighten up the exhaust headers a bit and the clamp for the muffler. New exhaust port gaskets should also help with that.
     
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    Just cut the plug ends, leave the coil ends alone, they'll be ok.
    The plug caps screw off, you'll see how they work to put them back on when you get them off, there's a small tapered screw in the cap that goes into the lead core & holds it in, you'll feel the weight come on when you screw them back on.
    You won't damage anything, they are meant to screw off.
    The plugs will be ok, we don't pay much for plugs down here, surprisingly, we are usually raped for spare parts not by the dealers but by the importer, but things are changing, dealer parts prices are coming down.
     
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    I think I have them in the middle position linkin I will have to check which will be the end of me! Its been ages since ive been at my carbs but I remember this much I had metal washer plastic washer metal washer e clip on one set and plastic washer metal washer on the two other needles. It was the way the old needles were set so this could be wrong?
    Its when letting off the throttle from high revs I dont mind it just over protective about my bike with these lil bits I just want her 100% and if I get it there ill keep it there!!! Lol

    Ok ill do the plug caps tomar if the weathers not to chronic and see how plugs are for fouling. Looks like fairings and tanke are coming off again and poor me trying to keep them like new lol
     
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    I think we pay about $120 au for them, pretty cheap really.
    Fixed all my problems. Interestingly I couldn't get 2 of the Pilot jets out & really butchered them with a drill but I remained calm & stopped to regroup, put the carbies all back together with all the new parts & ordered lh drills to remove the remaining brass. whats interesting is that the bike ran just the same as it had before, dull off the throttle at low revs & shitty idling & I started wondering if it was something more than carbies. Drills turned up & into it again expecting to ruin the jet housings & started after another set of carbies, luckily no one had any so I ripped into it. I got them out no problem & cleaned up the threads & screwed in the new pilots, put her all back together & like a miracle it's perfect, cracks off the throttle & it'll idle all day, Emma took it for a ride & came back with a big smile, couldn't believe it. So I wasn't game to say it was the pilots but seem to have been, maybe the old ones were blocked & couldn't see them or didn't really look. Something to keep in the back of your mind anyway.
     
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    Make sure the diaphragms arnt pinched (like I did) and that the o ring is in place in the position as below

    cap o rings.jpg

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    I think all four of them were 160euro delivered to ireland would have been about 60 or so excise if customs spotted them im thankful they didnt as they charged me 125 or so on the new fairings I got in from china. I had no problems with my carbs or taking out the jets one of my pilots was loose in the jet housing waiting for me lol. Yea my bike starts from cold with no choke still requires throttle though if I put my choke on when its started from cold it conks out 9/10 the other time the revs go up to about 3-4k.

    My diaphragms arent pinched anyway 3 are yamaha and in good condition had one torn and used suzuki bandit diaphragm as blair said was cheaper alternative and have new o rings in those lil holes 2 :)

    Also any more info on needles do I not need the extra washers as if im doing this tomar I want to get it right for the sake of my sanity lads!
     
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    Just have it as per my picture. The C clip in the middle position, the metal washer underneath, and then the nylon piece underneath that.

    Since you have the correct size needles, emulsion tubes, and jets, you should replace the existing ones in case someone has messed with them before (ie put bigger ones in). Once you do that, you just have to tune the idle circuit and that's the carbs done.
     
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    So all four 3rd position e"clip and metal washer nylon washer. Who the hell put the extra washers in and why is something id love to know! Thanks linkin I will do this tomorrow even if its raining I might just bring the bike into the house it would make a nice ornament if things go wrong!

    All my carbs have the keyster stuff fitted ive all the old jets etc in a jar somewhere.

    I dont know if the mech has been at my idle id assume he has but I had them set at 2.5 turns out but made no difference of carbs 2.3.4 i could put them in any position as the clearances were bad id say.
     
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    Oh yes while im at the bike tomorrow ive been thinking about this for a while since I cant afford the exhaust system from jre as im poor for the next 3 months at least! Has any one gutted the standard rear can and if so was it worth it and how detrimental to my health will this process be?
     
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    Dont do any mods to the exhaust untill its running correctly ..... as much as the muffler is designed to muffle it also creates back pressure to balance the system

    Are your pilot screws set up like this?

    PilotScrewAssy.png
     
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    Aww grey loud pipes save lives!! Will I need a rejet if I got the jre aswell? I was told some where because off the power valve the free flowing end can wouldnt make a difference is this poppy cock?
    Yep all mine are like that I used blairs guide when doin the carbys
     
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    Sounds like your on track for success,
    The extra washers will lift the needle & it's un necessary, I can't remember washers on mine, I don't want to think about it.
    Your going into a dark place re jetting the carbies because of the exhaust, are you just talking the muffler or the whole system ? The Exup valve gives you a nice all round performance, remove it & you'll be in a world of disappointment
     
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    I know what you mean! Oh god no the power valve is staying lol the muffler I want to gut to have a bit more rumble. The engine scream is nice but the exhaust is lacking any sound really.
     
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    Oh yes dear lord in heaven how did I forget the mech set my float heights he said he got the specs off yamaha what would the chances be that they could be a problem also?
     
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    Leave the muffler alone until you sort out the carbs properly. Inside the stock muffler there are actually two smaller pipes. The first one runs all the way up to the end of the can, but not out. The pipe that leads out has its opening up the other end of the exhaust where joins the midpipe. So basically the exhaust gasses travel the full length of the muffler twice. I cannot find a picture of it now, but have seen it before.

    As for rejetting... mine seems fine but I haven't actually replaced all the jets in my carbs with the correct keyster ones, it's something I should probably do.

    @Grasshopper's FZR was very poppy and even shot flames out the exhaust before he fixed up the carbies properly (needle clip position, replacing needles and emulsion tubes, and setting the idle mixture).

    My bike doesn't pop when riding normally, but uhh running it to redline and then chopping the throttle resulted in a single loud POP one time.

    As said before though, popping is a result of a leak in the exhaust headers or muffler. When the throttle is open, exhaust gasses are being pushed out of said leak. When you let off the throttle, the pressure drops and fresh cold air gets sucked into the exhaust system through the leak and autoignition happens from the heat. If you're running rich, fuel will also be in the exhaust and you'll get flames.

    Float height?

    GreyImport & Maelstrom to the rescue.

    http://2fiftycc.com/index.php?threads/carb-fuel-level-everyones-favourite.3254/
     
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    I've got a Blue Angel muffler, came on the bike, they scream like anything no matter what, just gets louder.
    I'll be in the market soon for a new muffler, I had a look at the Blue Angels & I won't be paying $310 US + shipping for one ! It'll be an ebay special.
    Gutting the OEM won't work, it'll sound crap, you need something in there to absorb the sound. You could gut it & run a perforated tube through the centre with, say coarse stainless steel wool packed in around it, if your handy with a TIG or MIG welder & some patience.
    What happens in winter if that's summer ???
     
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    Could be but if he's set them to something they'll be close & probably be ok, doesn't sound like you've got a float height issue.
    I haven't been too fussy with mine & they have been set at different heights a number of times, god knows where they are at now but I remember the last height adjustment it was not measured just set by eye & all identical. Get a short length of clear fuel line & stick it on the drain nozzle on the bottom of the bowl & hold it vertical, open the drain screw & see where the fuel rises to in the tube compared to the fuel bowl, start there.
     
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    Ok linkin I will dont worry lol yea I guesd that's for scavenging effect then, ill just wait until I can afford the stainless shorty off jre rather than faffing around at it. Plus I guess having the standard system as a back up if I got sick of noise wouldnt be a bad thing,

    Yes I may or may not find that leak if its not going to hurt the bikes feelings I might let it slide.

    Ive had a nosey at that before I guess il be doing so again!

    Will I want to bring the noise lol I think the jre seems about in my budget but I might need a clutch before I get the exhaust system my clutch sounds disgraceful after a bit of riding llike a bucket of bolts.

    Am well the rain just gets colder and wetter, flooding, black ice, sleet, snow then in the middle of all this you could get some nice sunny weather lovely country I recommend visiting bring warm clothes and oil skins and shorts and tee shirts we decided to disperse the seasons weekly rather than set months for one or the other
     
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    If you buy the JRE one and aren't after pure noise, get the 42CM one. It has a nice deep note. 30CM is the shorty and will be louder. The 42cm one is plenty loud. Keep the standard one as you'll need it for inspections/registration etc.
     
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    I like the noise ha ha have you seen the fzr yanamoto exhaust vid on you tube the sound was just indescribable it was that good.
    In ireland we dont have inspections on motorbikes and I havent a clue what rego is in Australia? Here just tax and insurance. Tax was 88 euro and my insurance cost 360e
     

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